RE: University Degree or CISSP (U)

["evb" <swiver () cox net>]

:within the government, than a CISSP weighs heavily. Add to 
:that practical experience and many times a degree is not even 
:necessary. 

As other people have stated, it is crazy to compare a CISSP to a Bachelor's
degree.  High school does not teach you how to think, write and speak well.
You may acquire those skills later on, but it isn't the CISSP that is giving
them to you.  

Thus, to look for a CISSP and then make a conclusion about that person's
ability to cope is an instance of invalid reasoning.  On its face, holding a
CISSP cert doesn't tell you anything other than at least they can memorize.
However, to look for a college degree tells you at least they can show up on
time for 4 years and memorize and exhibit basic writing and speaking skills.

Eric
www.-risk-averse.com


:I've seen for myself countless, non-degree people 
:(with or without experience) with jobs in Information 
:security, making more $$$ than people with degrees. Perception 
:weighs heavily in an employers' minds, and CISSP sometimes has 
:the perception of being a better measure of a person's 
:potential for success.
:
:Along those same lines, a degree with a FOCUS in Information 
:Security (such as many that are recognized by NSA) weighs a 
:bit more than a CISSP.
:
:I agree that any certification does not have as much value or 
:is as enriching as a college degree, but again, is your goal 
:enrichment through the pursuit of knowledge or to make a quick 
:buck (this is putting it bluntly but that is human nature). My 
:advice, do either one for your own personal satisfaction, 
:money will follow.
:
:-----Original Message-----
:From: Steven Kalcevich [mailto:lists () ciscokid net]
:Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 4:25 PM
:To: security-basics () securityfocus com
:Subject: Re: University Degree or CISSP
:
:Yes this is crazy. You cannot compare 4 years of  full time 
:daily education to a up to 6hr exam. I passed the cissp in 
:under 3hrs. I studied for around 4 months. I am 25. I am also 
:in 3rd year for a Bsc which is much much harder I can tell you.
:
:Ken Kousky wrote:
:> This is the craziest conversation I ever heard of - there is NO
:comparison
:> between a REAL degree and CISSP. CISSP is great, valuable and vital
:but it
:> isn't in any way comparable. 
:>
:> Simply put, if you don't have a degree - get one and get the best one
:you
:> can.
:>
:> -----Original Message-----
:> From: Huang, John, GCM [mailto:John.Huang () rbsgc com]
:> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 1:41 PM
:> To: security-basics () securityfocus com
:> Subject: RE: Re: University Degree or CISSP
:>
:> Degree or CISSP? It depends on where you are in life. A degree helps
:you
:> in the door and advancement into a management position 
:usually require
:a
:> college degree. But if you're already in the field and don't have a 
:> college degree, a CISSP cert is easier to obtain in a shorter amount
:of
:> time, and provide more immediate benefit since you can put 
:the things 
:> you learn into use.
:>
:> -----Original Message-----
:> From: shyaam () gmail com [mailto:shyaam () gmail com]
:> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 10:25 PM
:> To: security-basics () securityfocus com
:> Subject: Re: Re: University Degree or CISSP
:>
:> Yes,
:> Very true. Nothing counts equivalent to experience, but experience
:comes
:> only when someone starts somewhere. I have seen one big thing
:happening
:> around. People in the industries shifted from technology to 
:business, 
:> that is the point when they lost the security and created more
:loopholes
:> in their own products as they reduced the time needed, 
:reduced budgets 
:> and spent more on advertisements and marketing.
:> How does that reflect on people. They need people already with 
:> experience. But how is that possible. Everybody needs to start 
:> somewhere. So experience does count, but I would say some 
:foundation, 
:> some added qualification and some experience is good for a cool job.
:For
:> a startup job, some degree and some cert is essential.
:>
:> PS: This is my opinion, I am not pointing out any company or any
:private
:> organization.
:>
:> -S-
:>
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Tailor your education to your own professional goals with degree 
customizations including Emergency Management, Business Continuity Planning, 
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