Re: Security books, portals, blogs and videos

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I know way too many certified people that dont know sh*t in the trenches.  Businesses that put too much emphasis on 
certs and not experience I would stay away from.  Personally, I am more suspicious of someone with a lot of certs with 
no experience to back it up.  If something is broken at 2am, you better figure it out or know how to get help.  The 
business generally still pays the bills and they hired you to keep the business secure (even if the business in many 
cases is their own worst enemy (lack of funding, training, priorities)).

A UNIX admin wanting to jump to security?  How good is your network of people?  Do people know that you like security? 
Most jobs are through word of mouth/recommendations.  Attend local security sig user groups, volunteer to be the 
security advocate for your area of responsibility, do something in the field you want to pursue.  Maintain the UNIX 
hardening scripts at your company, research security in the area that you already have strengths in, expand later.  At 
the end of the day, you have to know what you are doing, be very strong technically, have good people skills.  Having 
worked in the InfoSec field for awhile, it was always great to have those with a security mindset that are closest to 
the systems, as no matter the level of separation of duties, you will have more success having a positive working 
relationship with the technical groups than an adversarial relationship.  If a job opening presents itself in the 
InfoSec group, the security minded technical person that I worked with previously would be high on my list of 
candidates.

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On Sat, Sep 09, 2006 at 10:32:43PM -0400, Miguel Valentin wrote:
> I don't work in the security field nor am I certified in any security
> profession. I guarantee you that being a bookworm is not going to get you
> anywhere as far as a job is concerned. If you want further proof of this go
> to www.scmagazine.com and check out their story on certifications and the
> process required to get certified as security professional. I work in Unix
> and have been since '95 and I've learned more from other's in my field,
> hands-on / classroom training than from books alone. No one is going to hire
> someone especially in the security field just because you studied the books
> and passed the tests. A lot of what a security professional knows is derived
> from years spent working in I/T and he/she most likely progressed from
> System Administration position's to the security field. You must know your
> enemy in order to defeat your enemy!! Most security professionals have
> worked in I/T for approximately 10 or more years before jumping into the
> security field. You can't get that same knowledge and expertise from just
> reading books, blogs, or magazines. You're probably thinking that if I'm not
> certified in security then how would I know this? Because I keep up with
> what's going not only in my own field, Unix, but everything that happens in
> the I/T in general. I receive emails daily from Security focus on different
> security-related topics and from other website's, magazine's, and just plain
> ol' detective work on my part throughout the internet. Plus I also pick the
> brains of my fellow co-worker's on what's going on that they may know that I
> missed. Does that give me the knowledge necessary to just read a few books
> and then take the exams to become certified as a security professional??
> No!! Why?? Because I lack the daily hands-on knowledge necessary to know
> what to do, what to look for, how to use the various tools security
> professionals use when doing forensic work, and most of all the skill's to
> do all this and present it to management in a manner in which they
> understand. Plus everything else a security professional needs to know in
> order to be able to effectively market them self. In other words, you have
> to know how to walk the talk. Paper certifications will get you no where if
> you can't show that you know how to do what is expected of you. In the early
> 90's when Novell was the King of Network's there were lot's of guy's out
> there selling themselves off as CNE's, CNA's, and whatever other title
> Novell gave out. But when they tackled their first assignment they fell flat
> on their face because they were what was then called "Paper CNE's" or "Paper
> CNA's". They took the same approach you're trying and it didn't do anything
> good except cause themselves much embarrassment and ultimately getting
> fired. Go around the internet a few times and find out exactly what is
> required in order to get into the security field CORRECTLY before going
> about it the way you intend to. Later on you'll be glad you did. ISC(2) is a
> good place to start and the SANS website is another as is
> www.securityfocus.com They have ton's of information online to give you an
> idea of what is required and how to go about it. Good luck in whatever you
> choose to do!!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: listbounce () securityfocus com [mailto:listbounce () securityfocus com] On
> Behalf Of sun sadm
> Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 11:50 AM
> To: security-basics () securityfocus com
> Subject: Security books, portals, blogs and videos
>
> Hi colleague,
>
> I work since a few years in Sun Solaris system administration. I wish
> to get a job as security professional, rather than UNIX guy. By auto
> didactic training I will get the necessary knowledge for information
> security.
>
> - What books would you recommend me? Whats essential reading for every
> security guy?
> - What blogs you recommend me?
> - What print magazines and online portals?
>
> Generally speaking: What did you do to get a job in security field?
>
> thanks
> Nico

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