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RE: pen test
From: "Worrell, Brian" <BWorrell () isdh IN gov>
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:35:53 -0500
All, I am sorry but seems that maybe not all my message was read. Stated below "If you were to ask you web host in writing before doing it, that should solve the possible "legality" issue that it sounds like you talking about." As for the PCI-DSS, you can be fined huge ammounts if you do not comply. HIPAA is the same way. HIPAA required Audits and Risk Assessments. If you are working with a thrid party, and you are required to abide by something like those, then yes, it should be in your contrat. Marty below is asking due to a Firms major security incedent. In that case, I stand by my Ask in writting first, before doing it. If you wrote the code that is hosted there, or the back in database, you CAN scan it for issues, without asking the host though, granted it should be done before being uploaded to the server. But I think that is a seperate topic, and not what Marty was asking. Thanks Brian ________________________________ From: listbounce () securityfocus com on behalf of Craig Wright Sent: Wed 12/12/2007 4:27 PM To: Worrell, Brian; mike () security-bounce com; Marty Resnick; listbounce () securityfocus com; security-basics Subject: RE: pen test Brian, None of these requirements matters. If you have not added a right to audit clause to the contract, you can not run the test. If you have not included this and are subject to PCI-DSS (contractual) or FISMA, HIPPA, GLBA requirements (Legislative), then you have a problem. You can approach the hosting firm and negotiate the addition of a right to audit clause. If they do not accept and do not wish to allow this, then you can breach the contract and pay penalties and move to another hosting firm (remembering this time to contract this effectively). These are your options. Scanning without authority is not only a breach of contract against the hosting firm, but also a criminal felony. 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BDO Kendalls is a national association of separate partnerships and entities. ________________________________ From: listbounce () securityfocus com on behalf of Worrell, Brian Sent: Tue 11/12/2007 11:13 PM To: mike () security-bounce com; Marty Resnick; listbounce () securityfocus com; security-basics Subject: RE: pen test Michael, Am I wrong, but there are lots of practices and in some cases laws that say that you need to run vulnerability assessments to be compliant. If you were to ask you web host in writing before doing it, that should solve the possible "legality" issue that it sounds like you talking about. As far as I know, White Hat hacking has never been illegal, if done correctly and above board. If it was, why would SANS and other offer Certified Hacker classes and certs? Thanks Brian -----Original Message----- From: listbounce () securityfocus com [mailto:listbounce () securityfocus com] On Behalf Of Michael R. Martinez Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 7:54 PM To: Marty Resnick; listbounce () securityfocus com; security-basics Subject: Re: pen test Marty, absolutely not, this is called hacking. Pen testing is actively exploiting a server, identifying a weakness exploiting gaining access. Are you talking about scanning ports? Could you provide a little more detail. If you mean pen-testing, then the answer is no. Cheers ------Original Message------ From: Marty Resnick Sender: listbounce () securityfocus com To: security-basics Sent: Dec 10, 2007 9:35 AM Subject: pen test Am I able to pen test or run a vulnerability assessment on my web hosting company. I got the idea after reading this article. http://www.securitypark.co.uk/Security_article.asp?articleid=260173 -- Marty Resnick Techmaking Inc. (877) 291-1110 (office) (661) 209-2089 (mobile) (805) 512-9603 (fax) marty () techmaking com Michael R. Martinez TF: 800-987-7307
Current thread:
- Re: pen test Michael R. Martinez (Dec 10)
- RE: pen test Worrell, Brian (Dec 12)
- Re: pen test Michael R. Martinez (Dec 12)
- RE: pen test Worrell, Brian (Dec 12)
- Re: pen test Michael R. Martinez (Dec 12)
- Re: pen test Ken . Carty (Dec 12)
- Re: pen test Michael R. Martinez (Dec 12)
- RE: pen test Craig Wright (Dec 12)
- RE: pen test Worrell, Brian (Dec 12)
- Re: pen test Serg B (Dec 12)
- RE: pen test Craig Wright (Dec 12)
- RE: pen test Worrell, Brian (Dec 13)
- <Possible follow-ups>
- pen test Marty Resnick (Dec 10)
- Re: pen test Albert R. Campa (Dec 12)
- RE: pen test Jayson Agagnier (Dec 12)