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Re: Disclosure of vulns and its legal aspects...
From: "Lee Lawson" <leejlawson () gmail com>
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 09:14:39 +0100
In terms of prior permission, you would need written permission by the web site owners. This written permission should not be an electronic copy, at least in the UK. UK law does not recognise electronic documentation, such as e-mails, as a true representation of an original document. The original document in question is the owners handwritten signature, that makes it a real agreement. I would personally create an anoymous email account and send them some information stating that you are a penetration tester that 'happened' upon a possible security flaw in their website, but because of the state of fear that some unenlightened organisations have about this type of situation, you wish to remain anonymous at this point. Then explain that if they are open to increasing the security of their website, you will gladly analyse the security flaw further and give them full disclosure, on the basis that you will be given written permission prior to continuing further. 2 cents - deposited. On 5/30/07, James Wilburn <jwilburn () jameswilburn com> wrote:
With the number of horror stories about disclosing vulnerabilities to large companies, I would tread lightly. If it was a small company or personal website they would probably thank you, this is not the case with the larger companies. As far as legality, I don't know. But I was always thought "testing some websites as a personal research/leisure" without the owners permission can land you in a world of hurt if they have a legal team. -----Original Message----- From: listbounce () securityfocus com [mailto:listbounce () securityfocus com] On Behalf Of Dark Cold Ice Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 5:12 PM To: pen-test () securityfocus com; security-basics () securityfocus com Subject: Disclosure of vulns and its legal aspects... Hi all, It was earlier today whilst testing some websites as a personal research/leisure time that i found a quite critical bug in a major computer related website which will not be disclosured until all the legal aspects of the disclosure process itself are dealt with. After detecting the aforementioned vulnerability i was, like many have been before, "jailed" between the decisions of reporting it or not, it didn't take me long to decide to report it to the vendor as the flaw itself was on it's website... My first step and only one so far was to write the vendor the typical "praxis" e-mail saying that there MIGHT be a vulnerability SOMEWHERE on their website and that i would like carte blanche to investigate a bit more about it. I am now stuck with 3 thoughts, first of all, if the answer is no ( most common perhaps) the vendor will be losing its chance to know where and what flaw is it... will i be stuck with that and not be able to publicize it to the security community? Second thought, if the vendor says yes, i will report them the vulnerability but, what entitles me the right to do it legally... a simple e-mail would be enough perhaps... Third and last thought, if they indeed agree to give me the chance to test and report them the vulnerability i will only be entitled to publicize it once solved, but even then, will it be legal to make a full disclosure? Thank you all in advance, Darkcoldice PS: What would the difference be between the US and UK laws on that final aspect? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ This List Sponsored by: Cenzic Are you using SPI, Watchfire or WhiteHat? Consider getting clear vision with Cenzic See HOW Now with our 20/20 program! http://www.cenzic.com/c/2020 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ This List Sponsored by: Cenzic Are you using SPI, Watchfire or WhiteHat? Consider getting clear vision with Cenzic See HOW Now with our 20/20 program! http://www.cenzic.com/c/2020 ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Current thread:
- Disclosure of vulns and its legal aspects... Dark Cold Ice (May 29)
- RE: Disclosure of vulns and its legal aspects... James Wilburn (May 30)
- Re: Disclosure of vulns and its legal aspects... Lee Lawson (May 30)
- Re: Disclosure of vulns and its legal aspects... Steve Friedl (May 30)
- Re: Disclosure of vulns and its legal aspects... Lee Lawson (May 30)
- RE: Disclosure of vulns and its legal aspects... Craig Wright (May 30)
- Re: Disclosure of vulns and its legal aspects... Lee Lawson (May 30)
- RE: Disclosure of vulns and its legal aspects... James Wilburn (May 30)
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- RE: Disclosure of vulns and its legal aspects... Craig Wright (May 30)
- RE: Disclosure of vulns and its legal aspects... Craig Wright (May 30)
- Re: Disclosure of vulns and its legal aspects... Ansgar -59cobalt- Wiechers (May 31)