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RE: Security and the Under 30 User
From: net sec consule <netseccon () yahoo com>
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 12:36:40 -0800 (PST)
Thanks to everyone for their replies. Please let me clarify a few things. I agree that almost everyone has a lot of resistance to security. However, I find that the old crowd tends to be more compliant and only grumble a little, but in general go along with policy. The under-30 crowd is where I constantly see the problem: They don't grumble and then comply, they loudly object and rebel. The old crowd generally appears to value their jobs, but I find the younger crowd often has the attitude "If I can't get my way around here, take this job and shove it!". That is the biggest difference I see, outright defiance on the part of the younger worker. I see this in just about every one of my clients. Without question, but biggest concern I have about the under-30 crowd is their not caring about privacy. This really concerns me as it does not bode well for the future of a democratic society. I am also concerned about the "screwing the big corporations doesn't impact me" attitude. After all, anything that makes it more expensive to do business increases everyone's cost of living. About the client with the under-30s quiting because they had social networking taken away. Each employee signs twice a year an agreement that includes that computers and communications equipment (telephones, company cell phones, etc.) are for official company business only and usage may be monitored without further notice. Computer login screens repeat the notice every time someone signs in. The company has an established history of docking paychecks for non business cell phone use, suspending employees without pay for trying to bypass computer security, spending time on social network sites, and firing employees who visit porn and other inappropriate sites. The company has always prohibited cameras in the work place and has prohibited personal cell phones in the work place for several years. IM was blocked a few years back when it started becoming a malware source. Social networking sites have always been against policy, but it was not until they were blocked that outright rebellion occurred. The employees who quit knew they were violating company policy but chose to ignore it and those that got caught and suspended usually quit the company. I should also point out that this was not some low wage sweat shop. Most employees are college grads and make $75K to $100K per year or more in a market where the average family income is less than $40K per year. Thanks to all for your feedback. I think I have a little better understanding of the attitude. I wish I knew what to do about the selfish and antisocial attitudes as this is obviously a problem that is not going away. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
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