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Re: Shred 1.0 Bug Report
From: Alfred Perlstein <bright () WINTELCOM NET>
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:20:08 -0700
* Wietse Venema <wietse () PORCUPINE ORG> [001011 14:48] wrote:
M. Leo Cooper:It has been a couple of years since I actively worked on "shred". In response to your e-mail, Jeff, when I tested the program, it no longer worked as specified. In fact, when compiled on a glibc 2.1 machine, "shred" coredumps. It appears that this package is a victim of the changes made to libc.The shredding problem is not in libc. The problem is that shred(1) should have called fsync() after each overwrite iteration, in order to request that data be flushed from the kernel buffers to the disk blocks.
Programs like shred are particularly bad, they offer a false sense of security, this instance shows a complete lack of understanding of how most UNIX filesystems are implemented. Shred won't work reliably on: a) data logging filesystems b) transactional filesystems c) filesystems that perform online defrag (FreeBSD-FFS+reallockblks) d) filesystems that offer snapshot capabilities. e) (well i'm sure there's more) Programs like this offer a false sense of security, the proper way to do it is to implement some sort of 'scrub(2)' syscall that informs the filesystem code to accomplish the task otherwise you risk missing the data on the disk. There is no way to for something like this working entirely from userland on an advanced filesystem without its assistance.
I therefore advise discontinuation of the use of the "shred" package. I have no plans to bugfix or update it, since Tom Vier's "wipe" package accomplishes the same job, and in a more thorough fashion. Jeff, I do have to question whether it was appropriate to notify Bugtraq, since "shred" was never, to my knowledge, a part of any Linux distribution.shred(1) installs with redhat 6.2, out of the box. Beware, software never dies. Once you release it things are out of your control.
shred should die. Anyone relying on it deserves their bits stolen and posted on usenet. much love, -- -Alfred Perlstein - [bright () wintelcom net|alfred () freebsd org] "I have the heart of a child; I keep it in a jar on my desk."
Current thread:
- Shred 1.0 Bug Report Jeff Harlan (Oct 10)
- Re: Shred 1.0 Bug Report Guenther H. Leber (Oct 10)
- Re: Shred 1.0 Bug Report Frank Wiles (Oct 11)
- Re: Shred 1.0 Bug Report M. Leo Cooper (Oct 11)
- Re: Shred 1.0 Bug Report Wietse Venema (Oct 11)
- Re: Shred 1.0 Bug Report Alfred Perlstein (Oct 12)
- Re: Shred 1.0 Bug Report Mitchell Blank Jr (Oct 13)
- Re: File "shredding" Kurt Seifried (Oct 13)
- Re: Shred 1.0 Bug Report Wietse Venema (Oct 11)
- Re: Shred 1.0 Bug Report M. Leo Cooper (Oct 11)
- Re: Shred 1.0 Bug Report Dan Kaminsky (Oct 12)
- Re: Shred 1.0 Bug Report Guenther H. Leber (Oct 10)