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RE: More on VMWare poor guest isolation design
From: Tim Newsham <newsham () lava net>
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 13:36:54 -1000 (HST)
attacker in the future. Some of you keep trying to point out that owning the host always means owning the guests, but that isn't always the case, especially if you are not a full administrator on the host machine.
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should be able to protect a virtual guest from its host. There's no way a non-admin user is going to be able to modify the RAM of a vm. And in Windows Vista, if not already blocked, even as an administrator I would have to explicitly allow a worm to access the RAM or disk of a virtual machine. No worm is going to access a vm's resources without a UAC prompt coming up.
UAC is not a security boundary.You don't need administrator privileges. If the VM is running with the same privileges of the attacker, he can alter the program state of the VM. The most obvious way with VMWare is to pause the machine. This writes out physical memory as a .vmem file. Alter the file and resume VMWare. Less obviously you can use the OS debugging APIs, or inject a DLL into the address space of the VM process, or map its memory using memory management APIs, or exploit a vulnerability in the VM process, or.....
Similar attacks can be performed by altering the disks or attaching malicious hardware. You could point out that the guest OS need not
trust the disk or the hardware and you would be right. However, all of the important OSs *DO* trust disks and most are very trusting of hardware.Your statements that administrator access protects the VM is simply false. Your assumption that UAC will protect you from low-privileged worms is similarly wrong.
Mark
Tim Newsham http://www.thenewsh.com/~newsham/
Current thread:
- RE: VMWare poor guest isolation design, (continued)
- RE: VMWare poor guest isolation design Arthur Corliss (Aug 24)
- RE: VMWare poor guest isolation design William Holmberg (Aug 24)
- RE: VMWare poor guest isolation design Arthur Corliss (Aug 24)
- RE: VMWare poor guest isolation design James C. Slora Jr. (Aug 24)
- Re: VMWare poor guest isolation design Jonathan Yu (Aug 24)
- Re: VMWare poor guest isolation design Arthur Corliss (Aug 24)
- Re: VMWare poor guest isolation design Jonathan Yu (Aug 24)
- More on VMWare poor guest isolation design M. Burnett (Aug 25)
- Re: More on VMWare poor guest isolation design Tim Newsham (Aug 27)
- RE: More on VMWare poor guest isolation design M. Burnett (Aug 27)
- RE: More on VMWare poor guest isolation design Tim Newsham (Aug 30)
- RE: More on VMWare poor guest isolation design Arthur Corliss (Aug 30)
- Re: More on VMWare poor guest isolation design Wietse Venema (Aug 27)
- Re: VMWare poor guest isolation design Arthur Corliss (Aug 24)
- RE: VMWare poor guest isolation design Arthur Corliss (Aug 25)
- RE: VMWare poor guest isolation design Ken Kousky (Aug 27)
- RE: VMWare poor guest isolation design Arthur Corliss (Aug 30)