[Fwd: Re: Total cost of ownership]

[Dave Aitel <dave () immunitysec com>]

So, attached is a sample of the many funny emails I still get about that 
TC0 paper I wrote a while back. I dunno why people get upset if their OS 
is called a toy. I like to use toys.

On the other hand, Mac OS X has a generally poor level of security, from 
argv[0] bugs, to kernel bugs, and everything in between. That's fine, 
cause they don't have too many remote services, but the remote services 
they do have have bugs. So from a security standpoint, it's a game as 
well. Perhaps Yahtzee. (http://www.rekenwonder.com/yahtzee/yahtzee.htm)

Every time I get one of these emails, I want to release one of the 
kernel bugs Sinan Eren found during an afternoon with his wife's laptop. 
But I never do. It's just too much work.

On the other hand, we're announcing a new product release today, so, 
happy halloween. :>

-dave


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> From: John Driedger <johndriedger () mac com>
>
> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 00:16:43 -0600
>
> You harm any reputation you may have by inferring a Mac is a "toy". I  
> heard that in 1984. Wrong then, wrong now. You must think that because  
> it's pretty it can't be serious. Maybe you are too lazy to learn  
> another platform, or you are afraid of being converted to the good  
> side?
>
> I read the review of your article at Mac360.com They mock your  
> statements and ask where the data is to back it up.
>
> http://www.mac360.com/index.php/mac360/more/ 
> mac_os_x_called_toy_by_microsoft_apologist/
>
> No, I didn't read the article. Hearing you call OS X a "toy OS" is all  
> I need to know about it.
>
> Tell you what I did read. David Coursey who used to write for ZNet (and  
> used to be a Windows user) had an article about getting fed up with his  
> Windows machine and  wrote something about to get his work done, it was  
> time to do it on his Mac. He had over 1,400 comments made about his  
> article. I read every one. 80% were people (many IT pros) talking about  
> how utterly stupid it is to have to do all the crap you have to do to  
> keep these Windows machines running. It was amazing the number of  
> people that slammed Windows on this wintel site. Another 20% were  
> giving advise on how easy it is to do this or that to keep them going.  
> Point: You don't do any of that on a Mac. Strangely, David no longer  
> writes for ZNet, do you think he was drummed out of town for turning  
> into a Mac user?
>
> To not say there could be a place for OS X in many situations  
> (especially X Serve) just shows your ignorant bias (I'm guessing you  
> didn't recommend OS X for anything).
>
> How's that "Longhorn" coming? I can't wait for it. I mean really, I  
> can't wait for it. Why are you waiting for it?
>
> > John Driedger wrote:
> >
> > > I hear your "research" called OS X a "toy OS".
> > >
> > > That is an ignorant asinine comment. Windows is junk, and I can prove  
> > > it.
> > You're hilarious. Did you even read the article?
> > -dave
>
>
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