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Re: With great responsibility comes great power.
From: mOses <trklisted () networksamurai org>
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 18:31:49 -0400
The question is weather that is as scary as this: http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/06/04/3_plead_guilty_in_tech_export_case/ Chi Mak who in 2005 was arrested for espionage. He was allegedly sending documents from his job as a defense contractor over to china. The CD's that where found contained propulsion systems for a new submarine and lot more juicy things you can imagine. I wonder how much far forward the Chinese got because of this person and people like him..... Dave Aitel wrote:
Right now we're in the midst of some sort of weird publicity push from the US Military regarding cyberwar, which started before the Estonians got DDoSed last week. Most of the articles point out how China is beefing up their forces with frankly inane titles such as "China Cyberware Alert!": http://edition.cnn.com/2007/TECH/internet/06/13/china.cyberspace.reut/index.html http://www.defensetech.org/archives/003548.html There's a NYT article today too, but they make it impossible to link to them. In March, Stratfor had an article about it as well: http://www.stratfor.com/products/premium/read_article.php?id=286304 They concluded: """ Ultimately, much about cyberwarfare efforts will remain classified. Cartwright's comments are more illustrative of a military that is accustomed to dominating the battle space preparing for a new offensive in cyberspace. STRATCOM's staff judge advocate -- the command's legal representative -- likely has advised Cartwright that his efforts to bring offensive cyberwarfare measures to bear have reached the point at which they require congressional oversight and approval -- the only real motivation for Cartwright to share his command's efforts with the public. """ If you listen to John Arquilla, of the Naval Postgraduate school, he also mentions China first as the leading integrator of cyberwarfare into their overall strategy [1]. Oddly he believes there's only a few dozen master hackers in the world, a number I think is far too small, but perhaps we have different definitions or just a different circle of friends. His estimate is that half of the master hackers are American, a number I would say is irrelevant. You can't judge the length of a sword by the sharpness of the point. My opinion is that any cyberwar waged against the United States would be one-sided. As Admiral Yamamoto learned the hard way[2], one of the US Military's defining characteristics is extensive propaganda efforts to get the opponent to underestimate them. But as a somewhat useful metric, you can fit the attendees of all the non-US information security conferences each month into any one US conference. -dave [1] http://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/podcast.aspx?id=30 - I started listening to this sure he would be full of it, but it's really quite good. [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isoroku_Yamamoto and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isoroku_Yamamoto%27s_sleeping_giant_quote <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isoroku_Yamamoto%27s_sleeping_giant_quote> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Dailydave mailing list Dailydave () lists immunitysec com http://lists.immunitysec.com/mailman/listinfo/dailydave
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