Re: I am the reason we cannot have nice things on the Internet.

[Thomas Quinlan <tom () thomasquinlan com>]

It's late & I'm scratching this out on my phone, but the problem may 
actually be four-fold. My last two points, plus:

3 - Parallel Reconstruction. This is quite scary. It undermines basic legal 
tenets that we've had for hundreds of years. Additionally, people aren't 
even doing it well. A leaky captcha? Please, anyone with a modicum of 
understanding about how things work saw right through that.

4 - Targeting journalists. Show from the corporate owned media problem, 
NSA/government do themselves no favors detaining &/or targeting 
journalists. It happened again this morning in New Zealand. "Oh, this has 
nothing to do with that expose you just did on us & is totally related to 
something else you may be tangentially involved in from five years ago but 
we'll take all your things. And your daughter's. You know. Just to be safe."


On 22 October 2014 22:43:39 Andreas Lindh <andreas.lindh () isecure se> wrote:

> Dave,
>
> I read that piece and thought it was quite well written. I also think that
> you¹re wrong on several accounts.
>
> First of all, the US is not the Internet. Saying that it¹s a good thing
> that the US has "the most sophisticated cyber arsenal of any other country
> on the planet² is just irrelevant in this context. You are addressing the
> claim that the US is the biggest threat to the Internet, not to other
> countries who happen to have a presence on the Internet. This is an
> Internet issue, not some military dick waving contest. Also, considering
> the US habit of starting wars, I¹d wager that large parts of the world
> actually think it would be an even better thing if the US did not have
> such an awesome arsenal at all.
>
> Second, you claim that the US is not hacking for competitive advantages. I
> get that you¹ve been a part of this machinery and probably knows what
> you¹re talking about, but still. Should we just take your word for it? And
> if so, why should your word carry more weight than when China says the
> exact same thing?
>
> Third, using ³but everyone else is doing it too² as an excuse is just
> childish.
>
> This is not a US military issue, this is about privacy for _everyone_.
>
> Andreas
>
>
> Read more:
> http://www.businessinsider.com/expert-here-are-4-things-edward-snowden-gets
> -wildly-wrong-about-the-nsa-2014-10#ixzz3GuB8jeC4
>
> On 2014-10-22 19:37, "Dave Aitel" <dave () immunityinc com> wrote:
>
> >Article that dropped today. I have learned from the comments that I am
> >the reason we cannot have nice things:
> >http://www.businessinsider.com/expert-here-are-4-things-edward-snowden-get
> >s-wildly-wrong-about-the-nsa-2014-10
> >
> >Prepub Review Document:
> >https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0jFP8bCQAA_jxQ.jpg:large
> >
> >Next week I'm going to give a talk here, available for beers/heckling!
> >http://www.eventbrite.com/e/georgia-tech-cyber-security-summit-2014-ticket
> >s-11887603141
> >
> >-dave
> >
> >
>
>
>
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