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Re: Visa Puts Heartland on Probation Over Breach
From: "DAIL, WILLARD A" <ADAIL () sunocoinc com>
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:03:34 -0400
I've met some very sharp QSA's, and some who could use a lot of training or experience. I'd say pretty much at the same rate as other security professionals. The notion that PCI companies are somehow worse off than the general business community is, I think, inaccurate. Security has to be functional at some point and yes, PCI leaves room for improvement as a program, but it sure as heck is better than nothing, and nothing is exactly what most merchants were doing before PCI was forced on them by the card brands. A comparison would be to look at the rate of breaches among PCI-scoped Acquiring Banks, and non PCI-scoped issuing banks. The issuing banks have top security people, operate under GLBA and other tight federal requirements, and they still get breached. I've also observed that IT Security is still very much an art, rather than a science (meaning it is not always repeatable and verifiable given the same set of circumstances). As an art, it requires an artist. Artists do seem to think they have "the correct interpretation" and their way is the right way. I've also been amazed at the egos present in this field, by people who really shouldn't indulge the luxury of having one. It's very easy for inexperience IT Security staffers to get caught up in the technology of the job. The real truth is that the technology is merely a set of tools to help observe, and to some degree regulate, human behaviors. -----Original Message----- From: dataloss-bounces () datalossdb org [mailto:dataloss-bounces () datalossdb org] On Behalf Of Jamie C. Pole Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 8:18 AM To: dataloss () datalossdb org Subject: Re: [Dataloss] Visa Puts Heartland on Probation Over Breach Oh wow! That's going to make a HUGE difference! Let's not forget that they WERE PCI "compliant" when they got breached. How is hiring another clueless QSA going to change the basic facts here? The whole PCI "standard" is a joke. The PCI Standards Body needs to go the way of the dodo, and the whole QSA concept needs to be eliminated. The only way there will ever be any reasonable level of assurance that credit card transactions are safe is for a body made up of COMPETENT security professionals to come together to define meaningful controls that will actually make a difference. And the whole "pay to play" QSA game needs to be replaced with a process whereby COMPETENT security professionals are able to demonstrate proficiency by actions, NOT by virtue of the fact that their application fee check cleared. Actually, I wonder if they take credit cards for the QSA fees? :-^ Maybe the QSA criteria should be "show us that you have breached a payment processor, and we'll let you test other payment processors..." If that happened, the list of approved QSA providers would be VERY small - and I'd bet that VERY few, if any of the people on the current list would be on the new list. This same thing is going to keep occurring over and over and over until the PCI program itself is overhauled. With the current "controls" in the PCI DSS, I'm not sure how any of these people sleep at night. Especially when you consider that the QSA providers seem to all be relying on automated scanning tools when they do their assessments. Two words come to mind - unlimited liability. I love the part about "more stringent conditions"... What? They have to run Nessus or Qualys ONCE a month instead of quarterly? That's definitely going to make a difference! Twice nothing is still nothing. I suck at math, but even I can work that one out. (By the way, no offense meant to Nessus - it's a great product that I use myself - I just don't believe in basing C&A decisions on automated tools.) Gotta love this world we live in - the PCI people have mortgaged the future of their industry in order to sell QSA "subscriptions"... Jamie This message and any files transmitted with it is intended solely for the designated recipient and may contain privileged, proprietary or otherwise private information. Unauthorized use, copying or distribution of this e-mail, in whole or in part, is strictly prohibited. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original and any attachments. _______________________________________________ Dataloss Mailing List (dataloss () datalossdb org) CREDANT Technologies, a leader in data security, offers advanced data encryption solutions. Protect sensitive data on desktops, laptops, smartphones and USB sticks transparently across your enterprise to ensure regulatory compliance. http://www.credant.com/stopdataloss
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- Visa Puts Heartland on Probation Over Breach lyger (Mar 13)
- Re: Visa Puts Heartland on Probation Over Breach Jamie C. Pole (Mar 13)
- Re: Visa Puts Heartland on Probation Over Breach DAIL, WILLARD A (Mar 13)
- Re: Visa Puts Heartland on Probation Over Breach Clint P. Garrison (Mar 13)
- Re: Visa Puts Heartland on Probation Over Breach Susan Orr Consulting (Mar 13)
- Re: Visa Puts Heartland on Probation Over Breach DAIL, WILLARD A (Mar 13)
- Re: Visa Puts Heartland on Probation Over Breach Jamie C. Pole (Mar 13)
- Re: Visa Puts Heartland on Probation Over Breach A K (Mar 13)
- Re: Visa Puts Heartland on Probation Over Breach Jamie C. Pole (Mar 13)