Re: Cisco Clean Access & Impulse Point...

[Lee Weers <weersl () CENTRAL EDU>]

As far as a cost justification, we approached it as a security problem.
Last year we were unplugging entire residence halls from the network for
a few days to get machines cleaned.  The year before that they were
unplugging portions of the entire network.  The choice was either
implement something or force all the students to stand in line while we
check their machine individually.  

Overall the Bradford was a little more expensive when comparing just
securing just the resnet, but when considering securing your entire
network for no additional charge it came out to be much more cost
effective than the prices listed below.  And annual maintenance was
lower also.  It is about 15% of what you paid, and not list.

-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Sandford [mailto:dsandfor () SEEBECK UA EDU] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 2:00 PM
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I certainly appreciate the importance of the product and the
functionality. What I'm curious about is how schools with 25k + users
justified the cost? Educational price breaks aside, it still sounds like
a chunk of money....any comments?

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From:                   "Gibbs, Aaron M." <AMGibbs () ST-AUG EDU>
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Impulse Point pricing is based on the number of users.
 
$27,500 for < 1000 users and $32,000 for < 2500. Annual maintenance
charges are 20% of the original purchase cost.
 
Aaron M Gibbs
Interim Vice President/CIO
Center for Information Technology
St. Augustine's College
919-516-4379 (Office)
919-516-4382 (Fax)
amgibbs () st-aug edu
www.st-aug.edu 

-----Original Message-----
From: Schmitt, Dianne [mailto:dschmitt () JJC EDU]
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What pricing do they offer, better than Clean Access?

 

Dianne Schmitt

 

Assoc VP Information Technology

Joliet Junior College

1215 Houbolt Rd.

Joliet, IL 60431-8938

 

Phone:  815.280.6641

Fax:  815.280.2668


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From: Gibbs, Aaron M. [mailto:AMGibbs () ST-AUG EDU]
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 4:49 PM
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We're looking at implementing Impulses device. We looked at the Bradford
Campus Manager, which has great functionality. However, Impulse Point
also has great functionality that is similar to the Campus Manager
coupled with a good price point. I'd be interested also in knowing
others experiences with Impulse Point.

 

Aaron M Gibbs
Interim Vice President/CIO
Center for Information Technology
St. Augustine's College
919-516-4379 (Office)
919-516-4382 (Fax)
amgibbs () st-aug edu
www.st-aug.edu 

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Cole [mailto:mcole () CLARKU EDU]
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 3:58 PM
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FYI for the list:

 

    We've been using a product called Campus Manager to the past few
years from Bradford networks, www.bradfordnetworks.com  they're a small
start up in NH but they've been growing and have an awesome product that
sits off line and is very flexible in what it can do based on what you
want/need.  It does both network registration and remediation/quarantine
functions.  It's worth looking into if your looking for a solution.
We've been very happy with it.

 

Mike

 

Michael A. Cole
Network Engineer, Information Technology Services Clark University,
Worcester MA  01610
508.793.7772
Mcole () clarku edu 

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Staples [mailto:mstaples () MAIL MCG EDU]
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 3:41 PM
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Subject: [SECURITY] Cisco Clean Access & Impulse Point...

Anyone pilot both CCA and Impulse Point ( http://www.impulse.com/)?
Impulse Point was designed for higher ed and is priced very
attractively.  So far, we've only seen presentations and nothing live.

Any feedback would be great.

 

Mark

 

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Director of Information Security/Chief Information Security Officer IT
Research Liaison Medical College of Georgia
Office: 706-721-1577
mstaples () mcg edu

 

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> > > franklin () TXSTATE EDU 07/14/05 3:13 PM >>>

This is a response from our network lead who implemented CCA a month or
so ago:

I got tired of trying to keep up with the IP's used for windows update.
Using the host names is much better, but even then it's a moving target.
Microsoft sometimes adds new sub domains and in the latest version of
the update page it's a url under microsoft.com.

We are allowing traffic to everything ending in microsoft.com and
g.msn.com. That way the updates always work (so far) and students can
search for and download patches manually. There are cases when windows
update claims that a machine is fully patched but it is still missing
something. The helpdesk can tell what's missing from the reports and the
student can search for KBxxxx and download and install it manually.

Anders Engle
Systems Programmer I
Texas State University

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Subject: [SECURITY] Windows Updates and Cisco Clean Access


We are implementing Cisco Clean Access (formally Perfigo).  It has gone
really well but we keep coming up with problems with Windows Update, it
fails because CCA is blocking the IP.  When this happens, I use a
sniffer and add the new IP address that Microsoft is using and then it
works, until they change address's again.  Cisco says use the Host
setting allowing requests that end in "update.microsoft.com".  This does
not always work.

I am really at a loss because it works for 95% of the machines but I can
not afford to have 5% of the students in my office when they get back
from the summer.

Any Ideas?

Martin Flagg
Hiram College  


Doug Sandford
Information Security Officer
University of Alabama
Seebeck Computer Center
doug () ua edu

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