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Re: PCI compliance question
From: Michael Benedetto <mbenedetto () AMNH ORG>
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 15:12:56 -0400
Joel: Even though his machines may not be accepting the card, is it denying the card at the swipe location itself, or is the CC data being sent back to a centralized server for approval. If it is being transmitted to a central server and/or being stored on a central server, even though it is invalid data, the transmission and the storage would both be in scope. If the swipe card reader itself could tell the data was invalid at the moment it was swiped and did not transmit or store the invalid data, then it would be out of scope. -Mike Benedetto -----Original Message----- From: The EDUCAUSE Security Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU] On Behalf Of Joel Rosenblatt Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 3:08 PM To: SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU Subject: Re: [SECURITY] PCI compliance question His machines are not accepting CCs .. they are accepting his own cards ... since they do not accept credit cards for those services, then despite the fact that people are putting the wrong card in the machine, they are not in PCI scope. Using your logic, any device with a card swipe would be in PCI scope, which is clearly not the case. To be charged with a violation, there has to be an account - no account, no violation. IMHO Joel --On Thursday, July 08, 2010 3:01 PM -0400 "Lazarus, Carolann" <lazarus () buffalo edu> wrote:
My issue with this is that he said the machines transmit the CC to the
server. I'm not an expert, but I believe any transmission of CC falls under PCI, even
if the transaction is rejected. The transmission has to be secure. IMO Carolann G Lazarus, CISA 716-829-6947 lazarus () buffalo edu -----Original Message----- From: The EDUCAUSE Security Constituent Group Listserv
[mailto:SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU] On Behalf Of Joel Rosenblatt
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 2:58 PM To: SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU Subject: Re: [SECURITY] PCI compliance question I am not a PCI expert, but I have been up to my eye balls in PCI stuff for
a while :-)
If you are not accepting CC, then the fact that the miss guided person
sticks his card in your device does not put that device in scope for PCI.
If someone were to swipe their Visa card in your controlled access door
swipes, and this were the case, then every door on your campus would suddenly become
in scope for PCI. The ultimate responsibility for PCI belongs to the organization that owns
the MID for the account that will receive the income from that transaction - since
there is no MID (Merchant ID) attached to your vending machines, there can
be no PCI compliance.
In my opinion, I believe, and any other disclaimer :-) My 2 cents Joel Rosenblatt Joel Rosenblatt, Manager Network & Computer Security Columbia Information Security Office (CISO) Columbia University, 612 W 115th Street, NY, NY 10025 / 212 854 3033 http://www.columbia.edu/~joel --On Thursday, July 08, 2010 2:46 PM -0400 "Smith, Bob"
<smithrj () LONGWOOD EDU> wrote:
We are struggling with a PCI compliance issue and have been asked to
query this list. We have vending machines (drink, snack, laundry, etc.) on our network
that are being setup for use with our university "one card" system. The
readers on these machines will transmit and process our cards just fine. However,
when someone uses a CC it is transmitted to the card system/server, but
the system ignores it and does not process the transaction.
The big question: are the vending machines considered in-scope for PCI?
If so, that means a lot of other things will be too.
Thanks. Bob Smith AVP IITS & Information Security Officer Longwood UniversityJoel Rosenblatt, Manager Network & Computer Security Columbia Information Security Office (CISO) Columbia University, 612 W 115th Street, NY, NY 10025 / 212 854 3033 http://www.columbia.edu/~joel
Joel Rosenblatt, Manager Network & Computer Security Columbia Information Security Office (CISO) Columbia University, 612 W 115th Street, NY, NY 10025 / 212 854 3033 http://www.columbia.edu/~joel
Current thread:
- PCI compliance question Smith, Bob (Jul 08)
- Re: PCI compliance question Barrera, Connie (Jul 08)
- Re: PCI compliance question Michael Sana (Jul 08)
- Re: PCI compliance question Hudson, Edward (Jul 08)
- Re: PCI compliance question Joel Rosenblatt (Jul 08)
- Re: PCI compliance question Lazarus, Carolann (Jul 08)
- Re: PCI compliance question Joel Rosenblatt (Jul 08)
- Re: PCI compliance question Michael Benedetto (Jul 08)
- Re: PCI compliance question Joel Rosenblatt (Jul 08)
- Re: PCI compliance question Sarazen, Daniel (Jul 08)
- Re: PCI compliance question Joel Rosenblatt (Jul 08)
- Re: PCI compliance question Kevin Hayes (Jul 08)
- Re: PCI compliance question Eric C. Lukens (Jul 08)
- Re: PCI compliance question Lazarus, Carolann (Jul 08)
- Re: PCI compliance question Barrera, Connie (Jul 08)
- Re: PCI compliance question Jeff Kell (Jul 08)
- Re: PCI compliance question Joel Rosenblatt (Jul 08)
- Re: PCI compliance question Jon Hanny (Jul 08)
- Re: PCI compliance question Marley, Tim (Jul 08)