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Re: Expiring root CA in web browsers --Y2K


From: neil lehrer <nlehrer () ibb gov>
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 17:14:07 -0500

at least for netscape, you can go to
www.netscape.com/security/index.html?cp=hom11cnse which has info on
updating your root CA certificate.  i was able to update a netscape 3.x
browser this way.



don Wang wrote:

Folks,

I am not sure if this is the right place to post this message. Since you
guys are security experts in general, maybe you can shed some insight?
or maybe suggest a better group to post? Thanks and happy holidays!

Don
-------------------------sorry, load of questions ....
----------------------

As many of you are familiar with this, to communicate securely with
online banking sites (among others), one's browser needs to establish a
SSL session with the server, certificates are exchanges, and the session
is secured subsequently.

A lot of companies use VeriSign server certificates, which in turn
require users' browsers to have valid VeriSign/RSA Secure Server CAs
(root CA). Given that old browsers, such as Internet Explorer (3.02 or
older) and Netscape 4.05 or older, all carry VeriSign root CA that
expires on December 31, 1999, many users will encounter warning messages
when they try to access secure servers that uses VeriSign server cert on
January 1, 2000. Yes, this coincide with the Y2K issue, although it has
nothing to do with the 2-digit year format.

Question:
1.  Can secure SSL sessions be established after Y2K, using the older
browsers, with expired root CA? What are the risks, if any?

2.  Can one simply upgrade the root CA rather than upgrade the whole
browser? This may especially make sense if one uses modem dial up and
already have relatively recent browser, such as netscape 4.05
communicator? What are the implications and risks?

3.  Since IE 3.02 does not warn users about the expiring CA issue, can
there be a secure SSL connection? It appears to be so, even without any
warning.

4.  IE 4 and 5 have two VeriSign CAs, one expiring on Dec. 31, 1999, and
the other in 2010. How does IE decide which root CA to use? does it
automatically switch to valid CA? One would assume so, but I have yet to
get clear technical statement from Microsoft that this is the indeed the
case.

5.  AOL browser: Since any version of AOL browsers encompasses more than
more one version of IE, (e.g. AOL 4.0 can have IE version from 3.01 to
5.0, all under the umbrella of AOL4), how can a web server differentiate
different IE versions from AOL?  This is important if the secure web
server decides to support only certain versions of browsers (such as IE
4 or higher).

That's all for now.

Thanks again for any input you have!

Don

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