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Re: Air Gap VS. Firewall
From: "Marcus J. Ranum" <mjr () nfr net>
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 11:31:54 -0400
There is no real difference between this description and an application proxy firewall. It's a fine design for a proxy firewall.
It seems to me that there are a couple of basic laws of security for firewalling, kind of like gravity and friction for the real world. They look like this: 1) The easier it is for outside systems to talk to you, the less secure you are. 2) The more transparent operations are for your users, the more transparent they will be for a trojan horse (and by extension, the less secure you are) I think the second law of firewall thermodynamics certainly applies to these "air gap" firewalls. One source of confusion in this discussion is that some of the list members have used _real_ "air gap" firewalls (hi Joe!) and are confusing the whale/spearhead "air gap" firewalls with the kind they know of. The classical "air gap" firewall is pretty darned secure: you have the Email go to a queue file on an externally reachable machine. Every so often (once or twice a day) someone makes a tape of the queue file, carries it to an internal machine, runs a program against it that vets it for attachments, executables, etc, and discards them, then pushes the messages into a mail system. Now, that _is_ good security. It also makes web surfing difficult. :) Which was what prompted my earlier post on the topic: if you can transparently surf the web through it, it's an "ordinary" firewall at best. mjr. --- Marcus J. Ranum Chief Technology Officer, Network Flight Recorder, Inc. Work: http://www.nfr.net Play: http://pubweb.nfr.net/~mjr _______________________________________________ Firewall-wizards mailing list Firewall-wizards () nfr net http://www.nfr.net/mailman/listinfo/firewall-wizards
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- Air Gap vs. firewall a burbatsky (Sep 22)
- Re: Air Gap vs. firewall Marcus J. Ranum (Sep 22)
- Re: Air Gap vs. firewall Crispin Cowan (Sep 23)
- RE: Air Gap vs. firewall Ofir Arkin (Sep 23)
- Re: Air Gap vs. firewall Joseph S D Yao (Sep 23)
- <Possible follow-ups>
- Re: Air Gap vs. firewall Steven M. Bellovin (Sep 23)
- RE: Air Gap vs. firewall David Bovee (Sep 23)
- Air Gap VS. Firewall Campbell Family (Sep 25)
- Re: Air Gap VS. Firewall Crispin Cowan (Sep 26)
- Re: Air Gap VS. Firewall Marcus J. Ranum (Sep 26)
- Re: Air Gap VS. Firewall Crispin Cowan (Sep 26)
- RE: Air Gap VS. Firewall Paz (Sep 26)