RE: Contract Rates & CISSP or not

["Rodriguez, Herman" <hrodriguez () phxhs k12 az us>]

The value and validity of the certification depends upon the employer. True,
a certification or a degree will not guarantee the person has the experience
and knowledge to back it up. I've run into people with degrees that
surprisingly knew little. However, certifications are, IMHO, a means of
getting your foot in the door. Especially if one has very little 'on the
job' experience or for the person who does not have the means for a $40,000+
college degree.

Herman Rodriguez
N+ (future CCNA)

-----Original Message-----
From: Darren Reed [mailto:darrenr () reed wattle id au]
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 8:44 PM
To: htabak_fw () quadtelecom com
Cc: crispin () wirex com; firewall-wizards () nfr net;
darrenr () reed wattle id au; dufresne () sysinfo com; chiman () hawaiian net
Subject: Re: [fw-wiz] Contract Rates & CISSP or not


In some email I received from Harry Tabak, sie wrote:
> Crispin Cowan wrote:
> <snip>
> > Personally, I use CISSP as a filter for who *not* to hire, as in "if
> > they have a CISSP, I don't hire them". Rationalle: we do advanced R&D,
> > so I'm shopping for brilliance, not competence & willingness to do
> > drugery with dilligence. The CISSP (hopefully :-) assures a minimum
> > level of competence, but IMHO the social filter of those who seek such
> > certification makes them unlikely to be a brilliant innovater.
> <snip>
> > --
>
> But would the resume of someone with "brilliance" get past the HR
> gatekeeper without the magic keywords of "CISSP" or "PhD"?  Assuming
> that you were with an organization that was sufficiently large to
> require an HR Dept, and assuming that you were too busy to personally
> screen a few hundred resumes.

There are those that are hired through HR and then there are those that
get hired and HR have some work to do to make it happen.  You're more
likely to find those with "brilliance" don't go through HR.

Darren
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