RE: Seeking input: Research Proposal: "Is a third position possible?"

["Ben Nagy" <ben () iagu net>]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: firewall-wizards-admin () honor icsalabs com 
> [mailto:firewall-wizards-admin () honor icsalabs com] On Behalf 
> Of Paul D. Robertson
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 2:45 AM
> To: Holt, Philip
> Cc: firewall-wizards () honor icsalabs com
> Subject: Re: [fw-wiz] Seeking input: Research Proposal: "Is a 
> third position possible?"
>
> On Sat, 20 Mar 2004, Holt, Philip wrote:
> > "Is a third position 
> > possible?"
>
> More than three positions are certainly possible, the real 
> question is are they supportable?

I think the _real_ question is..."WTF?"

> >   We are all aware of CISSP's Canons.
>
> It would appear that not all CISSPs are "aware" of the 
> canons

Well I got one recently (got bored) and I don't recall any secret
initiations or elk lodges. As I recall it went something like "Don't be an
idiot, don't do illegal or unprofessional stuff and don't diss the CISSP". 

That hardly qualifies as "canon" IMO, and I find the term (with its
religious overtones) quite...troubling.

> >   We are also all aware of the positions put forth and the beliefs 
> > held fast to of the 2600 Group, Hacktivismo, John Perry Barlow's 
> > "Declaration of Cyberspace" and a host of other similar 
> positions and 
> > beliefs that are in fact counter-positions to those revealed in 
> > CISSP's Canon.

OK. Why don't you explain what _you_ think the conflicting CISSP and 2600 /
Hacktivismo positions are, and then we can play ball.

> I don't hold a CISSP[2], but I fully support their canons and 
> indeed they match my ethics quite well.

(Paul likes Big Endian footnotes, apparently. :)

> > (building 
> > of course on Edmund Husserl's "The Crisis of European Sciences and 
> > Humanity and Transcendental Phenomenology")

I think you're going to have to set out the basics of transcendental
philosophy in general versus the empirical sciences here before you get any
meaningful feedback. It's stretching a _lot_ to assume a grounding in this
stuff for respondants.

A quick precis on how the _FSCK_ you think this impacts network security
would be for bonus points.

Let me put it a different way. I think you might have more luck with making
your request understandable to everyone if you tried to phrase it in terms
we non-academic mortals might understand and leave out the abstract
philosophy.

Cheers,

ben



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