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Re: Re: Flawed Surveys [was: VPN endpoints]
From: "Bruce B. Platt" <bruce () ei3 com>
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 16:49:52 -0400
Tina Bird wrote:
I don't think that surveys are designed to be observations that test a theory.
You are rightly being quite precise here.However, surveys can be used to test an hypothesis, which is what I think Marcus and Paul are going back and forth on.
My favorite example of this is the MMPI (Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory). Several hundred T/F questions in length and administered to thousands of people, it's use was validated by looking at the clusters of score responses in the larger population and then comparing these to scores given by people who had independently been deemed to have some neurosis or psychosis by qualified practitioners.
I mention this for two reasons. First is there a better question ever to ask someone than if they agree to the following: "I am a secret agent of God."? :-)
Second, if one allows this method as science, then there is a common ground for Paul and Marcus. As long as there is an agreed on validation method. Isn't the lack of that the rub here?
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- Re: Flawed Surveys [was: VPN endpoints] Marcus J. Ranum (Sep 01)
- Re: Flawed Surveys [was: VPN endpoints] Paul D. Robertson (Sep 01)
- Re: Flawed Surveys [was: VPN endpoints] Marcus J. Ranum (Sep 01)
- Re: Flawed Surveys [was: VPN endpoints] Paul D. Robertson (Sep 01)
- Re: Re: Flawed Surveys [was: VPN endpoints] Christopher Hicks (Sep 01)
- Re: Flawed Surveys [was: VPN endpoints] Marcus J. Ranum (Sep 01)
- Re: Re: Flawed Surveys [was: VPN endpoints] Bruce B. Platt (Sep 01)
- RE: Re: Flawed Surveys [was: VPN endpoints] Tina Bird (Sep 01)
- Re: Re: Flawed Surveys [was: VPN endpoints] Bruce B. Platt (Sep 01)
- RE: Re: Flawed Surveys [was: VPN endpoints] Tina Bird (Sep 01)
- Re: Re: Flawed Surveys [was: VPN endpoints] Bruce B. Platt (Sep 01)
- Wired article on the scientific method Tina Bird (Sep 01)
- Re: Re: Flawed Surveys [was: VPN endpoints] Paul D. Robertson (Sep 01)
- Re: Re: Flawed Surveys [was: VPN endpoints] Crispin Cowan (Sep 01)
- Re: Re: Flawed Surveys [was: VPN endpoints] Adam Shostack (Sep 03)