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RE: MJR on Linux/OSS
From: "Paul Melson" <psmelson () comcast net>
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 09:16:07 -0500
Personally, I've never bought into the monoculture vs. security debate a whole lot since security doesn't drive business, rather risk mitigation (not to be mistaken for security, especially information security) allows business to continue. (With certain exceptions, yada yada yada.) In fact, this isn't a security issue at all as far as I'm concerned, so I'll be surprised if this thread gets very far. <rant> There are two factors that have delivered Windows it's dominant position in the OS market. The first is that people will go to where the apps are. Historically, MS can thank IBM and other hardware vendors for reselling their systems with MS-DOS (or facsimiles thereof), and they can also thank Apple for making significant changes to the MacOS Extensions API's while simultaneously switching from CISC to RISC in the early 90's. These two things drove most of the desktop apps into the arms of Windows for the reasons Marcus states in his editorial. It's not a mistake that there is not and likely never will be an MS-Office suite for Linux, even though there is one for Mac. If and when Linux can deliver whatever it is that people need on their desktop and in their server rooms, then it will have finally come of age. This is where I disagree with Marcus. The second factor is that people - both individual consumers and businesses - think with their wallets. This has been a strength for Microsoft over the years - cheap desktop (and reasonably cheap server) OS that can run on open hardware standards. This meant that while performance and stability suffered, MS was free to watch the hardware vendors beat each other up to deliver the same experience to end-users at the lowest cost. This is where free software gains it's advantage over Microsoft, though. It's even cheaper yet, and until MS starts paying people to run Windows, at least some portion of it is going to stay that way. Consistency is nice, but people are malleable, adaptable creatures on an individual level. And if it will save me $100 at home, or $100,000/yr at work and I can still accomplish those things that I need to, then I will think long and hard about switching to the cheaper option when the moment is upon me. I can certainly point you to examples of businesses that are investigating or have already begun the migration to open-source desktops. This doesn't mean that Linux, BSD, and whatever is next will succeed where the Cray's and DEC's of the world failed, but it's enough of an edge that the world at large has come sniffing around to see if there's something in it for them. So the moral of my rant is to never underestimate greed's ability to help people accept change, good or bad. I've had the opportunity to walk into a couple hundred IT departments over the years, and seen a lot of variety. The one thing I've never heard is, "We run Windows because it's the best platform out there, period." Not to say that people don't love them some Windows, but it's, "This is what [everybody] runs." or, "Windows is better than [previous platform, often NetWare]." or, "You've got to run some Windows somewhere." Given a cheap, usable alternative, no less than half of them would walk away from Windows if it saved them money and/or they thought 'everybody' was doing it. </rant> PaulM -----Original Message----- Subject: [fw-wiz] MJR on Linux/OSS http://www.ranum.com/editorials/divide-conquer/ Summary: Diversity in interfaces is bad. Microsoft's consistent interface is good. I thought we went through this during the discussion on the personal firewall day (firewall-wizards, Sep 30 2003 by Paul D. Robertson)? Which consistent interface would suit everyone? As opposed to users saying "I know this interface, and I don't want to learn anything new", which interface would be acceptable? KDE? GNOME? WindowMaker? Windows? MacOS? The command line? Oh yes, you can run any distro with no big real difference between them. The major lines: Debian, Redhat, Gentoo. The rest are clones, or similar enough to transition easily between. The trouble with a single dominant monoculture is that it does increase the damage caused by a single hole. See blaster, and the long thread which was spawned by *that* on this list. I guess this is one of those things on which I disagree with Marcus. Hopefully, this leads to another good discussion on what would work best for what requirements (as opposed to the /. threads). Oh, and Marcus: DLL hell ;) _______________________________________________ firewall-wizards mailing list firewall-wizards () honor icsalabs com http://honor.icsalabs.com/mailman/listinfo/firewall-wizards
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- Re: MJR on Linux/OSS R. DuFresne (Mar 12)
- Re: MJR on Linux/OSS Marcus J. Ranum (Mar 12)
- RE: MJR on Linux/OSS Bruce Smith (Mar 17)
- Re: MJR on Linux/OSS R. DuFresne (Mar 12)
- Re: MJR on Linux/OSS Marcus J. Ranum (Mar 12)
- Re: MJR on Linux/OSS R. DuFresne (Mar 12)
- Re: MJR on Linux/OSS David Lang (Mar 17)
- Re: MJR on Linux/OSS Crispin Cowan (Mar 17)
- Re: MJR on Linux/OSS Marcus J. Ranum (Mar 12)
- RE: MJR on Linux/OSS Bill Royds (Mar 12)
- Re: MJR on Linux/OSS Kevin (Mar 12)
- RE: MJR on Linux/OSS Paul Melson (Mar 12)