RE: Protocol Anomaly Detection IDS - Honeypots

["Rob Shein" <shoten () starpower net>]

I don't see where you'd place an IDS so that it saw some kinds of LDAP
traffic but not others.  Especially when there are different LDAP servers
connected with WAN links...I don't know of anyone who has dedicated WAN
links for LDAP traffic...come to think of it, I don't know anyone who has
dedicated networks for it either.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jordan K Wiens [mailto:jwiens () nersp nerdc ufl edu] 
> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 4:36 PM
> To: Rob Shein
> Cc: 'Augusto Paes de Barros'; focus-ids () securityfocus com
> Subject: RE: Protocol Anomaly Detection IDS - Honeypots
>
>
> Very true; so you have to be careful where you place the IDS 
> given those sorts of issues; the original idea is still valid 
> that there are lots of good uses for honeytokens that can 
> well supplement the 'normal' use of an IDS.
>
> -- 
> Jordan Wiens
> UF Network Incident Response Team
> (352)392-2061
>
> On Fri, 21 Feb 2003, Rob Shein wrote:
>
> > Yeah, but if you have more than one LDAP server, and replication, 
> > you'll also snag other valid traffic that happens to control the 
> > objects in LDAP.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jordan K Wiens [mailto:jwiens () nersp nerdc ufl edu]
> > > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 3:13 PM
> > > To: Rob Shein
> > > Cc: 'Augusto Paes de Barros'; focus-ids () securityfocus com
> > > Subject: RE: Protocol Anomaly Detection IDS - Honeypots
> > >
> > >
> > > The point seems to be that it's possible to be eblow-deep in 
> > > someones networks with relatively 'normal' traffic the IDS won't 
> > > pick up.  A specifically designed web-crawler can sneak 
> right under 
> > > the radar of a typical IDS, yet it would easily be detected by a 
> > > honeytoken.  Slowly enumerating all users from a public LDAP 
> > > directory probably won't be detected by the IDS, but a honeytoken 
> > > would snag it.


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