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RE: Experiences with Toplayer Attack Mitigator IPS
From: "Fergus Brooks" <fergusb () evolve-online com>
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 14:30:43 +0800
In order to get their equipment into clients who may already have other point products they drop their price and *sell you* a firewall or IDS/IPS or AV gateway while *giving you* an all-in-one. Two vendors who are doing that at the moment in Asia are Symantec and Fortinet. And nothing wrong with it I say. Especially if they are price competitive, which they are. It also gives the clients the option of using these boxes to dual-skin areas where they are already covered. If a client was already using ISS network sensors and the bought a Fortigate as an AV gateway then they could use the Fortinet as a backup or perimeter NIDS/NIPS. If you look at the recommendations of monatary authorities and that sort of thing there is always a mention of dual-skinning as a way to enhance security. The downside is more systems to manage and maintain. Rgds... -----Original Message----- From: Alvin Wong [mailto:alvin.wong () b2b com my] Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 4:23 PM To: Pat Stangler Cc: focus-ids () securityfocus com Subject: Re: Experiences with Toplayer Attack Mitigator IPS Hi Pat, Thanks for sharing your experiences, i can understand how it would be like in your situation. According to toplayer guys, toplayer is great at dealing with DOS attacks. I'm still waiting for the report from the network intrusion uk guys who are coming out with the IPS shootout comparison soon. Hopefully, a clearer picture performance wise can be obtained and allow me to make a recommendation. Just attended a seminar today where fortinet introduced their products, seems impressive but how's the comparison with other all-in-one products, as security vendors are so fond of touting nowadays? The thing i can't figure out is how can the enterprise justify purchasing an all in one solution on top of their existing network infrastructure which presumably is made up of parts and more of what the integrated solution is offering?e.g. firewall...vpn..antivirus.. Regards, Alvin On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 00:47, Pat Stangler wrote:
In-Reply-To: <1066388506.2643.130.camel@localhost.localdomain>Hi, I am currently looking at toplayer's attack mitigator IPS and looking
for people who are currently utilising toplayer in their organisations to share their experience. How do you rate the product so far? Any difficulties and whether it serves it's purpose/product satisfaction? I've heard stories by the netscreen sales guys whereby toplayer becomes just another switch in the organisation and not doing anything much. Of course, i'm sceptical of all this talk which is why i'm hoping for some 'real world' input from any guys out here who are deploying it. Thanks in advance, AlvinAlvin, I truly can't say enough about both the Top Layer staff and the products they develop! Netscreen says it's just another switch? That's so far from the truth it's pathetic!! I own a small, but large hosting company serving over 3000 clients, domains, etc. Back in July, we were attacked by a "very" sophisticated
DDoS attack from over 800 compromised servers/machines across the globe, traffic exceeded 80-Mbps a second of traffic, locking up routers, firewalls, etc. We were down for 3 days while our backbone provider worked diligently to stop these attacks by placing various filters on the switch directly on the backbone just before our network interface, nothing seemed to work, they'd block port 53 and the attack would grab another port instantly so it was impossible to block this thing with the current network infrastructure, layer 7 switches, firewalls, routers, etc.
After a day or so of trying anything and everything, we found the Top Layer folks, made the call and started the process of obtaining an IPS
device. This was approx 6pm CST on a Friday night ( 7pm EST, where the Top Layer folks are located) Anyway, I was given one of the sales guys cell number to make arrangements to obtain an IPS unit. We talked a couple of times, and being in St. Louis/Chicago it was sort of difficult to get a flight at such late notice to Logan in Boston, they offered to overnight the device on Monday, but we couldn't go another 3 days of being down waiting for it, so I got the next flight to Boston on Saturday, Dave from Top Layer agreed to meet me closer to the airport. I left St. Louis at 10:30am CST and was back on a plane to Chicago by 4pm or so, landed in Chicago and shot over to our NOC, I plugged the IPS unit in, set a few filters to mitigate various protocols and within 20 minutes our network was up at 100%, while still getting hit with 80Mbps+ a
second. I really can't say enough about the Top Layer IPS device. We get attacked on a daily basis for some reason and from dozens of sources and we never see any network latency or deficiencies. You can set custom filters within the control panel to block all of the new exploits/vulnerabilities, etc as well. If you need further info, let me know and I'll be glad to help out, but as it stands now, I couldn't sleep at night without knowing the IPS was securing our network. Thanx! Pat Stangler Chicago Webs ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- FREE Whitepaper: Better Management for Network Security Looking for a better way to manage your IP security? Learn how Solsoft can help you: - Ensure robust IP security through policy-based management - Make firewall, VPN, and NAT rules interoperable across heterogeneous
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Current thread:
- Experiences with Toplayer Attack Mitigator IPS Alvin Wong (Oct 17)
- <Possible follow-ups>
- Re: Experiences with Toplayer Attack Mitigator IPS Pat Stangler (Oct 20)
- Re: Experiences with Toplayer Attack Mitigator IPS Alvin Wong (Oct 21)
- RE: Experiences with Toplayer Attack Mitigator IPS Fergus Brooks (Oct 22)
- Re: Experiences with Toplayer Attack Mitigator IPS Alvin Wong (Oct 21)
- RE: Experiences with Toplayer Attack Mitigator IPS Chan Kien Eng (Oct 22)