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Symantec Buys SecurityFocus, among others....
From: full-disclosure () lists netsys com (hellNbak)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 14:54:27 -0400 (EDT)
Houses - ---------- Fat Checks Are Good Biz They buy warm houses for March Is yours made of glass?
OK, so now the idiots who don't have the necessary social skills to get paying jobs start tossing rocks at those who work for a living. Yeah, fat checks are a good biz you are damn right, and what is wrong with that? If you are good at something, go get a job doing that which you are good at. How can you fault someone for that? Weld Pond has contributed more to the security industry in general than half the fucks on this list INCLUDING ME! It is no surprise that his skill are in demand, do you expect him to flip burgers for a living? I have had my shares of run-ins with the guys at Security Focus but do you think I fault them for getting $75million. Shit no, I hope after the VCs are done with them that Al and the crew each put a million or so in their pocket. I may not agree with everything SF has done or is going to do but that is their choice and you can't fault them for making money.
Or better, thousands per advisory when a consultant for a certain company shows up to audit networks. What's @stake's billable rate these days?
The difference here is that the consultant you are talking about in this case WROTE THE FUCKING ADVISORY. Stop bitching and start contributing. Why is everyone so against security consultants that have a clue? Whats a matter your script kiddie tools aren't as effective anymore? Jealous that you just can't seem to make a big discovery yourself? (heh, I know I am) What we should be bitching about are the moronic (usually big 5) consulting companies that have no clue and rely on FUD and commercial products to do their work for them.
I'll not even touch this. I could make fun of several hypocrits on this list, but like anybody in the industry that actually contributes, I have a regular job; one that doesn't involve stroking and petting my ego.
What does wanting to contribute a free vulnerability database have to do with petting ones ego? This is about keeping the information free and helping EVERYONE in the industry. Oh yeah, I forgot, this means that people might actually start patching boxes making your s'kiddiot tools not work. This in-fighting and finger pointing is complete bullshit gweeds style. Why not work together for a common good?
Now, it's time to cut the shit.
I agree.
First and foremost, let me say this list is complete dogshit. I'd like to go on the record with my opinion being that moderated mailing lists are a good thing. It keeps all the fucking whining to a minimum.
Again, I agree, moderation prevents abuse. But, moderation also makes certain people whine that they are being censored.....blah..cry me a river.
Second, I've been amazed at what big fucking morons the "esteemed hackers" in the community are. Especially Chris and Jay. Wow! I thought you guys were really intelligent, and to some extent, The only thing I've seen from any of you at this point is hidden agenda. You guys are truely disgusting. You guys set the bar for low. Proof that nothing is ever what it seems.
Explain what you feel this hidden agenda is? I consider both Jay and Chris to not only be true hackers but to also be friends. So other than a bit of common sense what is the hidden agenda?
And let's not even talk about Marty Roesch. If there's another person that knows something about giving heart and soul to a project, and continually getting exploited, he's our man. He runs a great project,
If anything, ALL of us should be writing and contributing more NEssuss signatures for stuff.
Furthermore, I'm thankful to see that people like Chris and Jay have actually come out of the closet to show what fucking miserable, narcissistic, ugly people they really are. It's high-time that we finally get an idea of the wheat and chaff in this industry, and seperate them. I still nearly fall off my chair with laughter when I visualize Chris sucking up to MS, and trying to push the "responsible disclosure" agenda while moderating an allegedly "full disclosure" list, and posting to others. You're a man of many faces, Chris, all of them in twos. I'll not even pick on Jay; I really feel pity on him.
Now this is a load of shit. Responsible Full Disclosure means working with a vendor to get something fixed and then releasing and advisory - NOT blindsiding a vendor with one days notice or no notice at all. What is wrong with Chris, a moderator of VulnWatch, getting invovled in the whole responsible full disclosure thing? I would rather have him involved because he has a clue than some moron like Russ Cooper or even worse the MS people alone. As for VulnWatch -- vulnwatch is full disclosure a post has never been rejected based on the status of a vendor. Yeah, they encourage people to work with vendors but they don't force it. I KNOW THIS FOR A FACT! Its time for the so called community to put up or shut up. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "I don't intend to offend, I offend with my intent" hellNbak () nmrc org http://www.nmrc.org/~hellnbak -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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