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RE: JAP back doored
From: "Gary E. Miller" <gem () rellim com>
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 13:03:27 -0700 (PDT)
Yo Drew! On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Drew Copley wrote:
I suggest you do a google on CARNIVORE. ISPs are required to allow the FBI to jack in a CARNIVORE box to your net, so it can sniff everything, on request. Here is a court order requiring Earthlink to install a CARNIVORE. http://www.epic.org/privacy/carnivore/cd_cal_order.htmlCarnivore is supposed to only tap suspects, not everyone.
Yeah, until the Patriot Act. Now all they need is the suspicion that some terrorist may contact someone using your email address, phone number , etc.
Carnivore captures on the addresses and subject lines of emails, not eve n the content.
Not according to official FBI statements to US congress: http://www.fbi.gov/congress/congress00/kerr090600.htm "In particular, it enables the FBI, in compliance with the Constitution and the Federal electronic surveillance laws, to properly conduct both full communications' content interceptions and pen register and trap and trace investigations to acquire addressing information." And regardless of how they SAY they are going to use it, there are documented cases of others hacking those NT boxes for their own purposes.
You compare this to the German police forcing German developers to secretly trojanize German software.
Yes, I do. This is wholesale sniffing, not the one-by-one sniffing of JAP. OTOH, I know the US has also forced US, Swiss and other developers to trojanize their software. So I only fault the Germans for followwing in our steps. Just another brick in the wall. RGDS GARY --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 20340 Empire Blvd, Suite E-3, Bend, OR 97701 gem () rellim com Tel:+1(541)382-8588 Fax: +1(541)382-8676 _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
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- Re: JAP back doored, (continued)
- Re: JAP back doored Adam Shostack (Aug 22)
- RE: JAP back doored Rainer Gerhards (Aug 22)
- RE: JAP back doored Drew Copley (Aug 25)
- Re: JAP back doored Valdis . Kletnieks (Aug 27)
- Re: JAP back doored Goncalo Costa (Aug 27)
- RE: JAP back doored Drew Copley (Aug 27)
- Re: JAP back doored Jeremiah Cornelius (Aug 27)
- RE: JAP back doored Drew Copley (Aug 27)
- Re: JAP back doored Goncalo Costa (Aug 28)
- RE: JAP back doored Drew Copley (Aug 29)
- Re: JAP back doored Valdis . Kletnieks (Aug 27)
- RE: JAP back doored Drew Copley (Aug 25)