RE: MSN Webcam / Chat Spoof

[Daniel Dočekal <daniel () pooh cz>]

Sure Richard it is actually loader of dialer program itself - it even updates itself any time it wants and it does 
anything it wants. And there thousands of people who had this bad luck to "use" that kind of software without properly 
realising what they are doing.
 
Concerning that certifitace - stop trusting things which cannot be trusted. Would be any COmpany/Street text something 
you can trust? Would it change any time that company relocates? 
 
It's problem of Microsoft who made this "authenticode" verification so misguided and people that they even trust to 
that. Actually one should not trust to anything that is not personally known to him...

-----Original Message-----
From: full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com [mailto:full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com] On Behalf Of Richard 
M. Smith
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 4:10 PM
To: full-disclosure () lists netsys com
Subject: RE: [Full-disclosure] MSN Webcam / Chat Spoof


The downloaded ActiveX file can be found at this URL: http://80.96.118.2/ac/mw/MSN_QTPieJess1.exe
 
I ran a strings on the file and the control is called:  TIBS Loader module and the ProgID is LoaderCon.LoaderCon.  I 
can't find anything on the Web about this particular ActiveX control, but it wouldn't surprise me that it is part of 
some sort adult dialer scheme.  The control appears to be more of a downloader program and not the adult dialer itself.
 
My question:  Why can't an Authenticode certificate present the following information to a user:
 
   - Company name
   - Street address
   - Phone number
   - Web site URL
   - Contact Email address
   - Company logo
   - Link to a product description page
 
All this information can be verified when a company applies for a Authenticode signing tool.  The current scheme is 
just plain silly as this MSN scam illustrates.  There is simply no way to verify where a piece of software is really 
coming from.
 
Richard 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com [mailto:full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com] On Behalf Of Daniel 
Doèekal
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 2:08 AM
To: full-disclosure () lists netsys com
Subject: RE: [Full-disclosure] MSN Webcam / Chat Spoof


Browser Plugin is ADULT DIALER - it connects via modem to telephone service and you pay your sexy adventure through 
your telephone bill. In many cases, there are adult dialers committing fraud - they redirect your dial-up internet 
connection to very expensive number without your knowledge. 

-----Original Message-----
From: full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com [mailto:full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com] On Behalf Of Richard 
M. Smith
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 3:40 AM
To: full-disclosure () lists netsys com; secure () microsoft com
Subject: RE: [Full-disclosure] MSN Webcam / Chat Spoof


You missed the good part.  If you actually go to the "MSN" Web site and press the "Connect Now" button, the site tries 
to download some questionable ActiveX control.  Not to worry however:
 
   Just press YES in the dialog box when it appears. This operation is totally safe and certified by Microsoft 
Authenticode™
 
The control is signed by "Browser Plugin".  I guess Thawte will give anyone an Authenticode certificate nowadays.  I 
wonder who "Browser Plugin" really is?