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Re: JAP Wins Court Victory


From: "David Howe" <DaveHowe () cmn sharp-uk co uk>
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 18:34:24 +0100

That is not the point. They were required by law to do
this secretly. Actually, publishing the source code that
revealed the changes was already bending the law. So
what you are asking for is that they break the law and
give up their careers.
To be honest? I don't know.
I could hope that if I were in their position, I would put my public pledges
of anonymity above expediency, but would probably have caved too (just like
their CEO handed over the data rather than have the police trash his home
and office to try and find it, despite knowing it was almost certainly
encrypted) if putting food on the table for my family required it.
The other alternative that occurs to me was to add code to block access to
those sites in addition to the "spy" code - thus guaranteeing that code
wouldn't return any results (and attracting instant interest as to *why*
sites were being blocked)
I haven't seen the order, but unless it didn't specify non-blocking that
would presumably have corresponded to the letter of the law, if not its
spirit (and again, given the police used the threat of trashing the offices
and homes of everyone involved to obtain the data, this is probably also too
dangerous a move if your family is depending on the income)

Yes, I agree that they have compromised trust in their service. But
anyhow,  technically the collection of data records only works when all
MIXs in the chain use the changed code. So the police has to go to
every single operator.
Indeed so - this is how the email remailler network operates

At the moment, a JAP chain consists of only two MIXs. This will hopefully
change in the future. So if you want to help, set up a MIX in a country
where German police has no jurisdiction.
unfortunately, I am in the UK - where police practices make the german
situation seem fair and balanced.....


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