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Re: SPAM, credit card numbers, what would you do?
From: Jeremiah Cornelius <jeremiah () nur net>
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:01:51 -0700
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 14 October 2003 14:57, Jonathan A. Zdziarski wrote:
Also in that vein is Adrian Lamo, an underground hero of the highest caliber who has just been arrested for helping many large corporations like GE clean up their act.Hero? Hardly. His willingness to help out the companies he hacked into was quickly overshadowed by the fact that he stole hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of services while he was doing it. He's no hero, he's an idiot.
He's just a boy. "hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of services" What? Bandwith usage? Subscription fees? Gimme a break. He cost nothing in real dollars to anyone. You presume either that he would have paid for services if he couldn't get them free, and/or that his utilization deprived other, legitimate users of their ability to access resources. None of this is demonstrable, and none is even true. With engineers, there seems to be a kind of unexamined binary "thinking" about law and legality. Laws frequently change -often arbitrarily, differ in jurisdictions, are enforced in violation of over-ruling statutes, etc. Everyone reading this list is likely to be in violation of dozens of different laws that apply to them in the course of any given week. This is outside of time spent interacting with networked computer systems! Adrian may get jail time, while Ken Lay will go free. Sprint may have fake billing "losses", while retirees lose their homes and pension benefits. Laws tend to favour those with the ability to purchase them - too bad. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/jIBmJi2cv3XsiSARAnSDAJ4tgcMZmZLwB9ut+hv60F47+mYKKgCeNgPU KdlddtGaBKTd4ij5OiV2o2Q= =QT2t -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
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