Full Disclosure mailing list archives
Re: lame b!tching about xpsp2
From: Barry Fitzgerald <bkfsec () sdf lonestar org>
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 09:56:38 -0400
James Patterson Wicks wrote:
I believe you read his comment incorrectly. I didn't read it as a statement advocating that new users use the command line, but rather the (unjustified) fear of users that they would have to use it or read the RFC's. Obviously no normal users are going to use the command line. Nor do they have to. The point is moot.Barry, All references to command-line were in direct reference to Devis' comment " . . nothing more and shows how the typical M$ user is scared as hell of having ever one day to learn Unix, go through RFCs ( what for ? M$ don't even read em themselves ), and use the commandline."I was simply pointing out that teaching everyone command-line is unreasonable. A lot of *nix gurus forget that there are millions of people out there who think a korn shell is something you use for tacos. When you are an administrator dealing with servers and applications, you are sometimes too far removed from the real user. Managers and designers have think like a user when it comes to making enterprise-level decisions. Normal users cannot (and will not) use command-line in an office. Add to that the fact that people not only dislike change, they try to resist it, even if it's for their benefit. These are a few of the human-factor elements that must be considered when making a change within an enterprise.
Ok, your point on cost is correct. If you wanted to train your staff to use Mandrake 9 (we did a beta in the office), the training costs would be considerably less, but learning a new GUI and office application suite still requires training. Remember that not everyone in the company is comfortable with a computer to begin with. If you have ever worked at the Help Desk in a company, you would understand that there are some really dense people out there. Three years ago, migrating 500 users from Windows 98 to Windows 2000 took a month and several "training lunches" to educate the user community on the differences in the operating systems. Did the IT department feel it was necessary? Nope. Did HR feel it was necessary? They sure did, and they were right. As a whole, people have to be gently through a change, even the majority of Windows 2000 users felt it was unnecessary. Ask any CTO. The human element is a killer when it comes to enterprise-wide IT decisions.
Having worked at a helpdesk in the past, I know exactly what you mean.I also know that it's not a windows-vs-GNU/Linux problem; it's a new deployment problem. The same exact thing happens between MS Office roll-outs as well.
New deployment issues come with the turf of being a helpdesk tech. I still don't agree with your estimates, though I do agree that there's a breaking point where costs aren't worth it -- I don't believe that you've demonstrated the point to match the situation.The minimum training period to move some slightly-above-minimum-wage-earning mailroom dude from Windows/Office to Linux/Open Office is a one-week training period. That still about $2500 per user. Then you have to give your Help Desk staff extra aspirin for the hundreds of "I used to do it this way in Word, how do I do it now" questions that they will receive. You can cut cost even further with in-office training, but there comes a point where you just have to concede that the costs and headache are not worth it.
-Barry _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
Current thread:
- RE: lame b!tching about xpsp2 James Patterson Wicks (Aug 13)
- Re: lame b!tching about xpsp2 Joshua Levitsky (Aug 13)
- Re: lame b!tching about xpsp2 devis (Aug 13)
- RE: lame b!tching about xpsp2 joe (Aug 16)
- Re: lame b!tching about xpsp2 devis (Aug 13)
- Re: lame b!tching about xpsp2 Barry Fitzgerald (Aug 16)
- <Possible follow-ups>
- RE: lame b!tching about xpsp2 James Patterson Wicks (Aug 13)
- Re: lame b!tching about xpsp2 Joshua Levitsky (Aug 13)