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Re: I'm calling for LycosEU heads and team to resign or be sacked
From: Bart.Lansing () kohls com
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 08:33:01 -0600
full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com wrote on 12/03/2004 07:50:36 PM:
And if the spammers don't like my packets being sent to their system, all they have to do is send me a polite e-mail asking to be removed from my flood-list. It is really quite simple!Wow. Obviously you are not responsible for authorizing payment to
transit
providers and have no idea how much bandwidth actually might cost an organization on a perMonth/perMeg basis. This would have never had any SERIOUS effect on backbone providers but many of their customers who
don't
even KNOW they have someone generating spam from their network would unfortunately see a great deal of money lost. Why don't you go physically assault a spammer. Do you physically
assault
door-to-door solicitors or do you have a sign on your front porch.
I see...now someone has decided that hyperbole is just what we need...by all means let's equate trying to bog a spammer's systems down with physical assault. You can go away now.
Obviously spam costs all of us $ in some form or another but incurring rapidly generated expenses for non-responsible parties to me seems a bit cruel. Do you assault the mailman for delivering junkmail that
companies
actually pay the USPS to deliver?
See above reference to going away...or else find coherent and valid analogies...thanks for playing.
/m ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Smith" <tatercrispies () gmail com> To: <full-disclosure () lists netsys com> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 5:11 PM Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] I'm calling for LycosEU heads and team to resign or be sackedI think heads should roll over this. I think its the worst act acorporation has ever undertaken in the history of the internet.So speaketh n3td3v, prohpet, visionary, lord and leader of FullDisclosure.The Internet has always been about vigilante justice. Aside from exceptionally egregious cases of wrongdoing, like sexually explicit material with children, fraud, or flagrant piracy, the Internet exists and operates beyond the boundaries of any one nation's laws. It is up to the people to self regulate. We have tried politely reasoning with spammers, we have tried ignoring spammers, we have tried _suing_ spammers. We've leisurely worked our way down the tree and are well past any sort of rational recourse. Now people are willing to resort to brute retaliation. When you sign on to the Internet, you accept this implicitly, to some degree or another. If you screw up, people will blackhole you, flood you, or isolate you. Spammers have been lapping us in the face for too long, and now the Internet reacts and fights back. Everyone who downloaded that screensaver did so intentionally, this wasn't a trojan operating behind the scenes. The participants were willing combatants. The engine for the battle happened to come from Lycos this time, but there have been other efforts in the past as well. And if the spammers don't like my packets being sent to their system, all they have to do is send me a polite e-mail asking to be removed from my flood-list. It is really quite simple! -Taters _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html_______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
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