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Re: joe the "expert" (was Re: IE is just as safe as FireFox )
From: Micheal Espinola Jr <michealespinola () gmail com>
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 18:06:10 -0500
Neither viewpoint is 100%. But, over-all I would have to agree with joe. MCSE's (in my experience) are typically not worth the credit [automatically] applied to them - not unless they have the experience to back it. That is of course true for any certification in any industry. MCSE's are easy to pick on, because the industry (employers) see it fit to give them preferential treatment equal to System Engineer qualifications of other products/OSs/etc - yet many MCSE's do not hold the underlying understanding necessary for that title - and have simply remembered and regurgitated a series of questions and answers within an allotted time period. I would think that members of this particular list would agree that the larger percentile of computer users/administrators/developers that know the least about the hardware and software they are using - are Microsoft/Windows/PC users. Don't take personal offense to generalizations and stereotypes that may sound like they apply to you. They exist only because there is some truth to them, but they are not considered absolute. Next time you wish to express your viewpoint, why don't you try it with a little more professionalism and decorum suitable for a public forum. Your accusations again joe's expertise and knowledge in this area are completely unsubstantiated. On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 12:16:52 -0800 (PST), Maurizio Trinco <maurizio_trinco () yahoo com> wrote:
"joe" <mvp () joeware net> wrote:[1] Don't get me started on MCSEs. As a whole Ithink they hurt Windows farmore than any other thing. A bunch of people whofeel they are experts inWindows because they took a couple of tests that 10year olds could memorizeand pass and yet still not be able to run anything.The best I can say aboutMCSEs is that I will *try* not to look down uponthem for being MCSEs andlet them prove themselves to be worthless before Iassume it in person. Now from joe's own site, comes this fully untrue statement: 'So what is a Microsoft MVP? The flip response is a Microsoft MVP is a person who answers the questions the MCSE/MCD/MCT folks ask.' My dear Joe, Let's see what Microsoft has to say about MVPs: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;EN-US;mvpfaqs&style=flat Are Microsoft MVPs experts in all Microsoft technologies and products? No. Although many MVPs have in-depth knowledge of more than one product or technology, none of them are experts in all Microsoft technologies or products. So, my dear joe, you are nothing but an ego-inflated bullshitter. Your verbal diarrhea is only matched by your unbelievably low level of competence when it comes to Microsoft products. Being an MCSE is much more than answering some "how do I send a message with Outlook" in one or two newsgroups. I worked really hard for my MCSE titles and honestly, the idea that I (or any of my colleagues) could seek enlightenment from you is simply ridiculous. If you think that passing exams like 216, 296 or the design exams is something an... er, MVP could do... then you'd better think again. While I'm an MCSE, I'm by no means an ass-kisser for Microsoft, as your MVPiness seems to be. Their products, contrary to popular belief, could be extremely complex (try real life business environment, compared to that unlicensed version of Windows 2003 server you're running at home) and many times extremely badly written and vulnerable -- but very complex nevertheless. Saying otherwise, only proves your lack of specialization (hint: familiarity is NOT specialization; you may be 'familiar' with your colorful XP, but that makes you by no means a 'specialist'). Oh, and something else: for some 10 years before I became an MCSE, I was the typical Unix admin. I used to laugh at Windows NT, I stopped laughing at 2000. I'm by no means friends with hip-kiddies who think Linux is cooler than Window$$$, I really dislike Microsoft-moronized Windows ass-kissers like you, who only know buzzwords, but have no real knowledge of the system. You should go together and exchange some fanatic e-mails; you belong in a place where 'my-OS-is-longer-yours' fights 'windows-2003-is-secure-by-default-'cause-Billy-told-us-so'. Anything else... is just proving yourself how MVP and not MCSE you are. Or whatever Unix/IT certification you may choose, other than the ridiculous MVP thingie. Take care and don't let the bedbugs bite. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
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