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RE: Scandal: IT Security firm hires the author of Sasser worm
From: "Fred Newtz" <fbnewtz () houston rr com>
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:29:47 -0500
On Tue, 2004-09-21 at 05:08 -0700, Harlan Carvey wrote:
The other is a virus writer who used a flaw developed by someone else, and propagated by a meathod that has been used countless times before, and really introduced nothing new.
So lets say someone did not turn him in and he never got busted. What happens when he goes out and finds a job in the security industry? Does that mean he will work with malicious intent and make all the back doors in products that he wants to or would he do his job just like everyone else in the world? He obviously has skills of some sort that are valuable. Maybe he is just doing penetration testing on their products, you never know. All nitty picky things aside, what about all of the other virus writers out there that never got busted? The hackers and crackers and phreaks and everyone else that did something wrong or maybe even destroyed some important data. Does that mean that we already have people like that working at security companies or not? Does that make the products of companies who hire virus writers or crackers less secure? Does that mean that the PHACV people do not take their jobs seriously? Does that mean that they can do a better or worse job than someone who does not have the desire to beat the system so to speak? I mean there are tons of people out there that are into this scene and they obviously will get a job or already have a job somewhere. This has been going on for quite some time. Just look at the LOD/h boys and the security consulting firm they started at least 10 years ago and what happened to them because people like SWBT totally dogged them and warned everyone that they could not be legitimate even though they were all convicted and just needed an honest job to go straight just like everyone else. I know some of those guys and they were good people. They were some of the best minds out there and they could have done just as good of a job as everyone else. They had already conquered the world in their own way, why not let that knowledge work in a good way for people that needed protection from other kids trying to do the same thing. Or worse yet, hired hackers trying to steal secrets. Saying that no teenager can be reformed is like saying you can't change your mind about what to eat for dinner. I have over 13 convictions and have been in prison as well as spent more than my fair share of time in county jails. However, that has been 10 years now and I am integrated into society making my way in life. All of this happened before I turned 21 years old. So if I can change then anyone can change. If you have a 250000 fine or whatever coming against you wouldn't you want to work it off so that some day in the future you might be able to own a car, or even a bicycle? What about a house or to even get married? Who would marry someone with a debt like he will have very soon? Good people do bad things sometime, it is a fact of life. Deal with it. Fred _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
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