Re: [Clips] A small editorialaboutrecentevents.(fwd)

["Jamie C. Pole" <jpole () jcpa com>]

Actually, it varies.  Most of this stuff will probably be  
declassified automatically in 25 years, unless done sooner by  
request, or held classified longer by request.

:-)

Jamie


On Dec 19, 2005, at 1:18 AM, GroundZero Security wrote:

> yeah if i still care in 25 years then we'll see. is everything  
> going to be declassified after 25 years in usa ?
> or does certain stuff stay classified ? i dont know how that works  
> overthere so i thought i'd ask :)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jamie C. Pole" <jpole () jcpa com>
> To: "GroundZero Security" <fd () g-0 org>
> Cc: <full-disclosure () lists grok org uk>
> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 8:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] [Clips] A small  
> editorialaboutrecentevents.(fwd)
>
>
> > Okay.
> >
> > Here is the fundamental problem - we do not know the circumstances
> > under which the extralegal wiretaps were conducted.  It is highly
> > likely that the wiretaps did save lives - maybe even German lives.
> > That is the point I have been trying to make all night.  There are
> > certain aspects of the operations of any government (even a Republic
> > like the USA) that the general citizenry does not need to be privy
> > to.  I believe this to be one of those aspects.  When this material
> > is declassified in 25 years, we'll all know whether or not this was
> > worth it.
> >
> > You are not going to convince me that my country is an evil place
> > with designs on controlling or destroying the entire world, and I'm
> > obviously not going to convince you that it isn't.
> >
> > Jamie
> >
> >
> >
> > On Dec 19, 2005, at 12:29 AM, GroundZero Security wrote:
> > > let me put it this way. if you break the law to rescue people noone
> > > would bitch about it.
> > > that always happens that people bend the rules to rescue people.
> > > thats perfectly fine but invading someones privacy is something
> > > different.
> > > the usa can invade any other country, but refuses to "invade" one
> > > of their own states for the
> > > only purpose to help its people without weapons but food? thats
> > > redicilous. the usa got so much
> > > power under their ass, but you want to tell me that the gov cant do
> > > anything if one of its states
> > > refuses help ? if the gov really would have wanted they could have
> > > helped.
> > > well at least you seem to agree on that this is wrong.
> > >
> > > > And had he done that, the liberals would very likely now be asking
> > > > whether or not it was legal for him to have done so.  For the  
> > > > people
> > > > that hate President Bush, nothing he does or does not do will be
> > > > acceptable.  It's as simple as that.
> > >
> > > sure, but if he would have done that it would be way less people
> > > bitching.
> > > the whole world would have seen bush or the u.s gov cares so much
> > > about their peoples
> > > lifes and safety that they bend the rules in order to protect them.
> > > for once bush could
> > > have had a good picture in the world media. so while you would have
> > > a handfull that
> > > hate bush anyways arguing about the law (which wouldnt help them as
> > > the u.s. court wouldnt listen),
> > > you now got the whole world asking why the fuck they didnt react
> > > and tons of american people
> > > who feel left alone. i feel sorry for those poor americans. soon
> > > your rights will be all gone
> > > because 'It's just a goddamned piece of paper' no ?

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