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Re: Cisco IOS Shellcode Presentation
From: Jason Coombs <jasonc () science org>
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:21:53 -1000
Michael Holstein wrote:
Secrecy and censorship are contrary to the ideals of a democratic society.
Mike,You don't live in a democratic society. You have representatives and laws to make decisions and impose rules of order on others on your behalf. Like it or not, if the rules you allow to exist on your behalf get violated then there may be swift and decisive retaliation by your representative democratic government.
Nobody knows in this case whether the "trade secrets" allegedly "stolen" bring this matter into the realm of a criminal offense, or whether this is squarely and clearly only a civil matter. Cisco doesn't even know whether this is a crime, everyone is fumbling in the dark here.
Reports that the FBI are investigating are therefore believable, and prosecution of Lynn for criminal acts is not unlikely depending upon whether or not Cisco backs down from their harsh interpretation of what happened. In determining whether or not a crime occurred, the existence of an entity/person who appears to have been victimized is an important factor. You can help your democratic representatives do the right thing on your behalf by showing us all conclusive proof that Cisco was not victimized in any way by the actions of Lynn or by his disclosures.
Likewise, anyone with information that would show that Cisco is knowingly "faking it" by exaggerating their appearance as a "victim" can be instrumental in having Cisco prosecuted for abuse of process, or at the very least any possible criminal charges against Lynn dropped.
Sincerely, Jason Coombs jasonc () science org _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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