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Re: Complaint to be filed at grok org uk
From: John Cartwright <johnc () grok org uk>
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 21:37:24 +0000
I apologise for bringing private mail into a public forum, but I felt that this was indeed relevant and important for list members to be made aware of. On Fri, Mar 11, 2005 at 09:40:52PM +0100, Tamas Feher wrote:
Tit for tat mode activated.
It is a shame that you view my actions in such a negative light. Let's review the evidence here: you started a flame war about politics with a slightly-relevant post. After the complaints subsided, you posted a completely-irrelevant political troll. And apparently I do not have the right to remove such rubbish from *my* mailing list?
- If you moderate, then all members must be moderated
Not true. The list charter specifically reserves the right for me as list owner to remove troublesome members. I have yet to do this to anyone as the moderate flag is a much more considerate way of temporarily excluding posters who cannot abide by the rules. The alternative is that I unsubscribe and ban you, which does not seem to be the preferable choice in my mind as it does not offer you the opportunity to prove me wrong in my decision.
- If you moderate, it is not full disclosure any more and let's change the list name.
Everyone is unmoderated until they prove that they cannot be trusted. Len and I have operated the list in this way since it was started. Several well-known list members have been treated in this way, and most of them have reformed following a brief stint of moderation. As a goodwill gesture, I removed all moderation bits from the list when it was migrated, you are the first person to abuse my trust since that event. Let's be very clear, at most there were maybe 20 people on that list of folks who cannot be trusted. This is Full-Disclosure. Of security issues, not some political rubbish that I and others could not care less about. That is why there is a charter. Please don't assume that the lack of general moderation allows you to ignore it.
- I give you one week to implement antivirus filtering on FD. After that I will check if I can put you and FD in legal trouble, because your list regularly distributes computer viruses by neglecting to stop infected mails. You consistently refuse to apply antivirus filtering to FD postings and the FD archive has become a big virus repository (essentially a virus exchange site). When ClamAV is available for totally free, you have no excuse to omit AV filtering. I have complained about it previously and other people have complained about it numerous time and you don't care a damn. BTW, the new FD site is in Britain's domain and european virus laws are more serious. Few months ago a a virus writer got a suspended prison term here in Hungary. He was lucky to be a juvenile at the time of crime.
Well, you pre-empted my announcement but I have had antivirus working for several days now, and have rejected a large number of virii from joe-jobbed member addresses. For your information, I do not have an automatic discard in place and so any false positives will be dealt with manually without inconvenience to the poster. And please don't be so juvenile as to resort to baseless threats. I'm sorry if the resource that I supply to the community for free at great personal cost isn't up to your expectations, perhaps you would like to just read Bugtraq in future.
- If you keep moderating in a cherrypick way, I will try to convince Grok to abandon FD hosting or force you to change FD's name. It will be bad if you have to move the list every week.
You are talking to grok.org.uk now. Try to convince me to drop my own mailing list from my own domain because you broke my rules.
-I guess you are a reality-blind republican and you want to moderate me because I told the list how Dubya and the US republicans cheated with the computerized voting machines which were manufactured by devout republican capitalists.
Which part of "I have absolutely no interest in your political views, or anyone else's" don't you understand? I couldn't care less. You are moderated because you posted about Saddam's capture being faked - it is completely and utterly irrelevant to Full-Disclosure and what it stands for.
I reserve the right to contact privately the press and/or as many FD members as I like. Regards, Tamas Feher.
I'm sure list members will enjoy unsolicited complaints about your inability to follow simple rules and the consequences that affect you. I suggest you re-read the charter, post on-topic messages, and prove to me that you can be a responsible member of this list. I am not trying to persecute you, just to make you see that I am not going to tolerate repeated off-topic posts. Stop posting irrelevant messages, and you will find the moderation flag being turned off soon. I have already approved one post from you, which is encouraging. Cheers - John _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://www.secunia.com/
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