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RE: Re: choice-point screw-up and secure hashes
From: "Todd Towles" <toddtowles () brookshires com>
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:19:29 -0600
BTW, The FBI uses Choicepoint for a few specialized queries. Most terrorism related.
-----Original Message----- From: full-disclosure-bounces () lists grok org uk [mailto:full-disclosure-bounces () lists grok org uk] On Behalf Of Ron DuFresne Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 1:16 PM To: Vincent van Scherpenseel Cc: Full-Disclosure Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Re: choice-point screw-up and secure hashes On Sat, 19 Mar 2005, Vincent van Scherpenseel wrote:On Saturday 19 March 2005 13:02, Kurt Seifried wrote:Don't forget that it's bad for the company's image to have confidential customer data stolen. As soon as the presscatches onit's bad for business. So, companies *do* have a drive to secure your private data.Uhhh no. See consumers such as yourself don't actually purchase services from choicepoint/etc (unless you're a Nigerianguy who is into ID theft =).Businesses do. And businesses don't care if choicepointis secure ornot, they care if choicepoint has the data. It's likeEquifax, youdon't buy information from them, companies you deal withdo. Thesefirms have no incentive to protect your information,because they'llnever lose your business.Consumer A pays for a service from Company B which uses a payment method from Company C. Company C holds data from Consumer A for Company B. Now, C gets compromised and data from A is stolen. Don't you think the consumer will knock on Company B's door? The consumer doesn't deal with Choicepoint, the consumer deals thecompany, as yousaid. Now, Company B has been found responsable for the mess by the consumer. Don't you think B will now knock on C's door?Do you know which companies trade and buy personal data from your bank, insurance company, the utilities <phone, electric, gas>, your city and county, your ISP, <endless list>...? How many people new of let alone knew/know which comapnies choice-point obatined their data from? Quite often putting pressure on company C is not a straight forward matter for the public at large. Thanks, Ron DuFresne -- "Sometimes you get the blues because your baby leaves you. Sometimes you get'em 'cause she comes back." --B.B. King ***testing, only testing, and damn good at it too!*** OK, so you're a Ph.D. Just don't touch anything. _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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- Re: Re: choice-point screw-up and secure hashes, (continued)
- Re: Re: choice-point screw-up and secure hashes Valdis . Kletnieks (Mar 19)
- Re: Re: choice-point screw-up and secure hashes Jason (Mar 19)
- Re: Re: choice-point screw-up and secure hashes Atom Smasher (Mar 19)
- Re: choice-point screw-up and secure hashes Jason Coombs (Mar 19)
- Re: choice-point screw-up and secure hashes Atom Smasher (Mar 19)
- Re: Re: choice-point screw-up and secure hashes Jason Coombs (Mar 19)
- Re: Re: choice-point screw-up and secure hashes Valdis . Kletnieks (Mar 19)
- Re: choice-point screw-up and secure hashes Jason Coombs (Mar 19)
- Re: choice-point screw-up and secure hashes Atom Smasher (Mar 19)
- Re: Re: choice-point screw-up and secure hashes Jason Coombs (Mar 19)
- RE: Re: choice-point screw-up and secure hashes Todd Towles (Mar 21)