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Re: FrSIRT Puts Exploits up for Sale
From: Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 11:44:13 -0500
On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:44:10 +0100, Michal Zalewski said:
On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 rembrandt () jpberlin de wrote:If you puplish something without a license it is OPEN DOMAIN That means people can use it, modify it, sell it...That's nonsense. If I publish a book or a photo or a newspaper article without a lengthy license attached, you can copy it at will, too? The requirement of a license or a copyright notice is a long-running myth - it is good to have these, but they are not a legal requirement.
In most countries that have copyright laws aligned with the Bern Convention, all works are automatically copyrighted at the time of creation (in the US, this applies to works created after 1978 - for pre-78, contact a good copyright lawyer). However, under US law, failing to attach a proper copyright notice, and more importantly registering the work with the US Copyright Office, means that the copyright holder is unable to claim certain damages (basically, you can't get money from the offender, but you can still get them to stop infringing). For the US, the gory details are all in the US Code, Title 17. However, Michal is correct in that barring an explicit agreement (such as code that's GPL, or a Creative Commons license, or other such), in most of the civilized world, anything found online should be assumed to be copyrighted, and you better hope some variant of "fair use" covers your use of the material. This is a big legal quagmire that nobody wants to create a test case for - in fact, in the US, I don't believe any court has yet decisively ruled whether the act of downloading a webpage from a server (thus creating a locally cached copy) is covered under "fair use". 17 USC 117 (a)(1) discusses the copy of a program that's created when loading it into RAM, but it's pretty specific to "the owner of a computer program" (incidentally, this is problematic in US states that signed UCITA, as software is considered leased, not sold, so you're not the owner of the software).
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