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Re: Exploit Brokering
From: "Joey Mengele" <joey.mengele () hushmail com>
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 15:28:34 -0500
This is hardly on topic and you do not have any unique credentials to validate your claims. Please refrain from writing off topic and baseless editorials in the future or risk moderation. Thanks. J On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 15:22:01 -0500 Simon Smith <simon () snosoft com> wrote:
[ This email is in response to all of the emails that I see with people trying to broker exploits by advertising them on full disclosure and other public mailing lists. ] SNOsoft has been legitimately and legally brokering exploits since early 2000, and we're still doing it very successfully. As a matter of policy we will not ever purchase items from careless developers, and will not sell to careless buyers or non US based buyers... With exploit brokering comes great responsibility and liability. People posting emails in public forums in an attempt to sell exploits is not only careless and irresponsible, but is also a testament to that persons immaturity and lack of experience. Do they ever stop to think about the potential liability? What happens if they sell to a hostile foreign party, what could happen to them, etc...? I think that there is a legitimate market for Exploit Brokering when it is done properly (ethically and legally). I think that in that market the developers should adhere to strict rules and not cross certain boundaries. I also think that the responsible and ethical developers should be paid fair value for their time, instead of a pathetic maximum of $5,000.00 for a high grade item. Think about it, the average QA Engineer makes more money per bug than the higher talent security researcher. There's something wrong with that. The solution to that problem is not to sell exploits to just anyone in a public forum. That introduces too much liability to the developer, especially if the buyer is illegitimate or hostile. The solution is to work with legitimate established businesses in a confidential and responsible manner. Unfortunately for those developers that are trying to sell exploits in public forum, their chances of working with legitimate businesses are gone. No way will any of the legitimate Exploit Brokers ever purchase an item from an irresponsible developer. Its just a matter of time till laws get passed and they end up getting thrown in jail for selling weaponized exploits to the wrong people. -- - simon ---------------------- http://www.snosoft.com
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Current thread:
- Re: Exploit Brokering, (continued)
- Re: Exploit Brokering Thierry Zoller (Nov 09)
- Re: Exploit Brokering Simon Smith (Nov 09)
- Re: Exploit Brokering Valdis . Kletnieks (Nov 09)
- Re: Exploit Brokering Simon Smith (Nov 09)
- Re: Exploit Brokering Thierry Zoller (Nov 09)
- Re: Exploit Brokering Simon Smith (Nov 09)
- Re: Exploit Brokering Simon Smith (Nov 09)
- Re: Exploit Brokering don bailey (Nov 10)
- Re: Exploit Brokering Simon Smith (Nov 09)