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Fwd: Full Disclosure - non technical elite
From: n3td3v <xploitable () gmail com>
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 00:52:05 +0100
'cyber politica' would need to be setup by John Cartwright, or it wouldn't become an official internet security mailing list on such matters. It would just become funsec or something else thats lame, thats not what im shooting for here. There needs to be an official cyber security mailing list for cyber politics thats unmoderated and unbiased, and you don't get kicked off it for any reason. Funsec is largely about gadi and his agenda, and security professionals from anti-virus companies and other places, its lame to put it bluntly. I post there and because I criticized gadi and paul ferguson I got kicked off. even marcus sachs hangs out on funsec, so being able to criticize the people that deserve to be is an impossibilty. there needs to be a neutral, central, unmoderated, unbiased mailing list for non-technical stuff that anybody, script kids, hackers, professionals, whoever can post whatever about anyone or anything. You can't do that on funsec, gadi is too trigger happy and protective. We need an industry recognized mailing list that is the known place to go and post about particular stuff, and not be banned from or have subscribers calling you names and making up fake aliases like 'ureleet' to give you a hard time for being on the list. We need an industry recognized central hub known about, agreed on place for cyber politics. Like i've said already im sick of being written about in the media and on blogs for being on full-disclosure, so I reckon a non-technical version of full-disclosure is the answer, run by the same guy John Cartwright, who is a decent bloke who I trust and respect. there are plenty of legitimate things to be discussed on cyber politica: - cyber security, in relation to marcus sachs and cronies, government stuff, gary mckinnon, cyber command etc. - isp community and their role with cyber security. - law enforcement and their role with cyber security. - public / private sector cooperation. - news article posts, blogs posts, Dancho Danchev, Nate McFeters, Juha-Matti Laurio, other news items. - speeches, texts, other stuff, post info about ppl you've managed to obtain etc. - you are an IT professional and you want to report about a service outage, maybe a security website or other service is down and you want to tell ppl. - debates about security features in products, non technical. - political cyber debate, who attacked georgia, analysis about it etc, was it a false flag etc. - general intelligence about companies, people, other stuff. - security conference spam, where they are being held etc. - proposals to the security community / industry, gadi cross posts about zero-day term being scraped, other buzzword stuff. - rants, raves, flames, joke, gossip rumours, speculation. - threats you know of, zero-day rumours, zero-day for sale. - paranoid stuff, things you think could happen but haven't, plots, dooms day scenarios. - your security forum, website, advertise it, got security course or other thing to promote. - self promotion, self glorification, grand claims. - anything else that seems to offend users of full-disclosure in its current format. - anything you wanted to post to full-disclosure but never did. - fuzzy porn? - big multi way discussions about stuff, you don't feel shy about talking about like you do on the original full-disclosure incase you got accused of feeding someone who other people don't agree with. people want to talk about stuff, but dont on the normal full-disclosure format because they get accused of creating 'noise'. - possibly world news as well. although this would endanger the list of becoming discussions about normal politics, which should be avoided at all costs, unless its somehow to do with electronics, telecoms, computer security, national infrastructure in relation to cyber / technology security, or wire tapping that affects hardware of products (products with possible backdoors in the circuitry by rogue regimes? china? other? the dangers of outsourcing military software to other countries? china? other?) or the internet and its users. cyber law, possibly TSA stuff, although im already bored with cyber security folks in america talking about airport security, its rather boring and repetitive, and off-topic. security theater is also a boring topic, that bruce schneier constantly mumbles about on his blog. cyber politica would allow any noise, mass debates, flames, anything... and no one would be accused of wrong doings like on the current full-disclosure format. The list of stuff above just give you an outline of stuff that could be post on it, but its really upto anyone what they post, they can post anything non-technical, and it doesn't need to be strictly about cyber politics. I'm asking John Cartwright to be responsible for the infrastructure and maintenance and that it keeps with the 'lists.grok.org.uk' domain. I hope it would be kept underground and be non-profit and never be sponsored by a company like secunia like the current format full-disclosure is. it would be funded by public donations, the users of the list decide if the list is good and how much they should give. who would find the list useful? intelligence services, government, bedroom hackers, do it yourself spies, everyone. there is a current void that needs filled, people are constantly being muted or discouraged from posting or talking about certain things on the original format full-disclosure. cyber politica would be everything thats deemed non-technical and socially unaccepted on the original full-disclosure format. nothing would change about the original full-disclosure, it would remain largely the same, just without the 'noise' and people complaining about users who are non-technical. Thank you for reading this email, you're probably paid to sit here and read my proposal anyway, so don't complain about n3td3v or write about me in seedy news articles on commercial websites like securityfocus and robert lemos, who at some point in his career thought it was acceptable to write a news article about someone he knows nothing about. keep the smear campaign coming though about n3td3v, its currently going on still, claims about n3td3v mental state etc, ignore it, its all smear campaign bullshit to discredit n3td3v. and that dude Razi Shaban, who keeps informing people im a troll. half of them are probably in intelligence etc making sure only people they like get any grab of influence etc. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Rodney Mulraney <rodney () gadgees com> Date: Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 8:54 PM Subject: Full Disclosure - non technical elite To: n3td3v <xploitable () gmail com> hi there :) i just joined the list a few days ago, again... (i was subscribed a few years back a alittle while as well)... firstly im sorry to hear about you getting attacked by people, personally i dont see so much of everything as noise as a lot of people, but heh thats just me. ok im just wondering ... im probably being stupid, but if you really wanna split the list like this, i would be happy to join :) im not sure if you have a problem setting up another list for the purpose ? but if you do... ive just written a mailing list program and have the site/domain of gadgees.com, and would be happy to run a list for you and others there if its need ? i could set it up and have it running in like a couple of minutes no problem :) so if you need that at all just say it would be no problem, take it easy :) rodney _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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