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Re: Why are you against n3td3v?
From: andrew.wallace <andrew.wallace () rocketmail com>
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:09:58 +0000
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 4:51 PM, <Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu> wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 16:09:45 GMT, "andrew.wallace" said:I can't help if Robert Lemos, Neal Krawetz gave false reports about n3td3v, that seems to have damaged us a lot and having to defend my position constantly to a bunch of aliases on full-disclosure because they believed something that was written in the media and had an expectation and when that expectation couldn't be met, they thought I'm a lie and a fake and the members of the n3td3v mailing list can't be real.I hate to inject some actual reality, but a few things to consider: 1) 'n3td3v' was *already* widely regarded as a troll when Krawetz did his research - he picked 'n3td3v' *specifically because* it was regarded as the biggest security troll since Gobbles.
I'm not a troll and neither was Gobbles.
2) I suspect that the vast majority of full-disclosure readers either didn't know or didn't care about Krawetz's posting until you made a point of complaining about it and invoked the Streisand Effect on yourself.
You don't know the vast majority, you social with a few names on full-disclosure who are active posters.
3) The high troll factor of 'n3td3v' on the full-disclosure list scared off a very high percentage of the full-disclosure people who concluded that any list of 4,500+ run by a troll/idiot of the caliber seen on full-disclosure *must* be composed mostly of sock puppets and other trolls.
I'm not a troll and only serious researchers are subscribed to the n3td3v mailing list group. That was the mistake made people thought I was a troll, n3td3v isn't a troll its been real the whole time.
Seriously - go back and re-read your postings over the past several years, and then ask yourself "What would *I* think about this poster if I didn't know who he was?".
I have and I see me saying things that people thought I was saying to get a reaction when they are actually real things that are going on and my actual opinion on things. The only actual troll i've seen *ever* on full-disclosure is "Ureleet" thats your troll, neither n3td3v or Gobbles have ever been trolls. _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Current thread:
- Why are you against n3td3v? andrew . wallace (Jan 11)
- Re: Why are you against n3td3v? Anders B Jansson (Jan 11)
- Re: Why are you against n3td3v? Valdis . Kletnieks (Jan 11)
- Re: Why are you against n3td3v? andrew . wallace (Jan 11)
- Re: Why are you against n3td3v? j-f sentier (Jan 11)
- Re: Why are you against n3td3v? andrew . wallace (Jan 11)
- Re: Why are you against n3td3v? j-f sentier (Jan 11)
- Re: Why are you against n3td3v? andrew . wallace (Jan 11)
- Re: Why are you against n3td3v? j-f sentier (Jan 11)
- Re: Why are you against n3td3v? andrew . wallace (Jan 11)
- Re: Why are you against n3td3v? j-f sentier (Jan 11)
- Re: Why are you against n3td3v? andrew . wallace (Jan 11)
- Re: Why are you against n3td3v? andrew . wallace (Jan 11)
- Re: Why are you against n3td3v? Valdis . Kletnieks (Jan 11)
- Re: Why are you against n3td3v? andrew . wallace (Jan 11)