Re: verizon vs m$

["Thor (Hammer of God)" <thor () hammerofgod com>]

Hi -

Yes, the whitepaper says that.  But it fails to mention that the code to create a web service on the machine is 
initially launched from the Internet Zone that is already in Protected Mode with Medium-High security options enabled 
by default.   Exactly how does this code get executed?  By popping some existing unpatched vulnerability?  To execute 
the code to run the web server form the existing vulnerability would require the code to run in the context of the 
local user anyway -leveraging an existing vulnerability in order to subsequently launch a second process from the Local 
Intranet zone in order to get THAT process to run in the context of the local user is an unnecessary and redundant 
process.   The subsequent malware they refer to that would "persist" on the box would, in most cases, require the user 
to be a local admin; well, for it to do anything of value anyway.  Yes, I am fully aware that some malware can be run 
as a normal user, but that is very rare.

Irrespective of that fact, this entire "vector" can be very easily described as "if you have an unpatched vulnerability 
on your system that is possible to exploit in protected mode with Medium-High security settings on your browser, then 
code can be run in the context of the local user."   I consider this a painfully obvious point, and continue to 
question its relevance in a business whitepaper, as well as why it is being discussed within the context of something 
that "bypasses Protected Mode" where you have to bypass protected mode in the first place to run the code to bypass 
Protected mode.

Guninski knows all this, or should know all this, so I'm wondering what his purpose was in referencing something with 
such a skewed and hyperbolic basis.  As I normally pay attention to technical issues he presents, I'm confused as to 
what I'm missing, or if he just had a bad day or something.

t

From: Ven Ted [mailto:v3nt3d () googlemail com]
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 11:28 AM
To: Thor (Hammer of God)
Cc: Georgi Guninski; full-disclosure () lists grok org uk
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] verizon vs m$

> From the white paper:

Once the initial remote exploit has been used to execute arbitrary code at low integrity on the client, the payload can 
create a web server listening on any port on the loopback interface, even as a limited user at low integrity. The web 
server should be able to serve-up the original exploit that allowed remote exploitation in the first instance. Since 
the exploit will now be launched from the same machine, exploitation can be made significantly more reliable as Address 
Space Layout Randomisation (ASLR) is no longer effective and other exploitation techniques can be used with higher 
probabilities of success.

The browser can be instructed to navigate to this new malicious web server using the IELaunchUrl() function, which is 
callable from low integrity as part of the Protected Mode API. This will cause a new tab to be launched which will 
navigate to "http://localhost/exploit.html"; or similar.

The new malicious web page will be rendered in the Local Intranet Zone and the rendering process will now be executing 
at medium integrity. By exploiting the same vulnerability a second time, arbitrary code execution can now be achieved 
as the same user at medium integrity. This provides full access to the user's account and allows malware to be 
persisted on the client, something which was not possible from low integrity whilst in Protected Mode.


On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:49 AM, Thor (Hammer of God) <thor () hammerofgod com<mailto:thor () hammerofgod com>> wrote:
I don't understand how Dan arrived at "Researchers bypass Internet Explorer Protected Mode" for the article title.  
Protected Mode isn't being bypassed at all - the "researchers that figured out a reliable way to bypass the measure" 
apparently just noticed that Protected Mode is disabled by default in the Local Intranet Zone.

Is this something you are concerned about?  This would obviously only be exploitable by accessing sites on one's own 
intranet by specifically using intranet nomenclature (and trusted sites, but the user has to add those).  Also, the 
article (or the researchers) are incorrect about the default settings for the Intranet zone - it's Medium-low, not 
Medium.   If the problem one is trying to fix is based on attackers compromising intranet sites and then posting code 
for unpatched vulnerabilities that would still end up only running in the user context, then you've got much bigger 
problems, no?

I'm just wondering why you are brining attention to the article, or really, why it was written in the first place.

t

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[mailto:full-disclosure-bounces () lists grok org uk<mailto:full-disclosure-bounces () lists grok org uk>] On Behalf Of 
Georgi Guninski
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 1:26 PM
To: full-disclosure () lists grok org uk<mailto:full-disclosure () lists grok org uk>
Subject: [Full-disclosure] verizon vs m$

in a world like this, verizon kills exploder bugs:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/12/03/protected_mode_bypass/
http://www.verizonbusiness.com/resources/whitepapers/wp_escapingmicrosoftprotectedmodeinternetexplorer_en_xg.pdf

the language doesn't seem passionate:
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Finally, Microsoft and other software vendors should clearly document which features do and do not have associated 
security claims. Clearly stating which features make security claims, and which do not, will allow informed decisions 
to be made on IT security issues.
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lol

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joro

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