Re: Full-Disclosure Digest, Vol 88, Issue 11:

["Mikhail A. Utin" <mutin () commonwealthcare org>]

My 10 cents:
I'm glad that such discussions happen on this list. I would not consider that as "out of topic", because Information 
Security, and security in general, did/do include significant political component, and we cannot avoid or ignore it. 
Plus, and it is important as well, it gives as a freedom of speech and an ability of better understanding of each other 
in this "fulldisclosure" society of security fans and professionals.
What actually surprises me, is that people's voice of millions still unheard. Internet has been already used to change 
regimes (like in Egypt) for better or worse, but there is no well-known and used by everybody resource of expressing an 
opinion. I mean a magnitude of Google or Wikipedia. I'm surprised that Google still does not have on its default page a 
big button "My Opinion". I think that it would be much easier to implement than Maps or other services. I've seen in 
past some sites collecting public opinion, but we need such as Google to move that forward. Would it be beneficial to 
Google? I think so. To people? Of course. Politicians? I would bet for. The only one problem is the government. More 
likely it will be on losing end very often. So, may it be the reason Google did or will not implement that?

Mikhail

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We are not so savage that we decide who is powerful by military strength.  Money plays a much bigger role in deciding 
power in our society; people with money have significant influence over the military and paramilitary police, and many 
make decisions that affect millions of people every day.  Chris Dodd basically stated an expectation that laws can be 
bought after PIPA and SOPA failed, as if the money the MPAA had donated to politicians was supposed to guarantee that 
those politicians would do what the MPAA tells them to do.  Armies and wars are expensive and need to be paid for, and 
money is how we pay for such things.

Law enforcement (i.e. the use of guns) is rarely needed to maintain the power of money; most people accept the laws 
that surround money and try to follow them.  People pay taxes when asked politely, they pay fines and damages that 
courts assess, they repay loans when legally obligated to so, and so forth.  Disputes over money are almost always 
settled without violence and without the need to call in the police, even in cases where people broke the law.  Even 
violent criminal gangs need money, despite being in possession of guns and despite a willingness to make use of those 
guns.

Alexander Dumas stated it better than I can:

"What I mean, my dear fellow, is that I shall do more by myself with my gold than you and all your people with their 
daggers, their pistols, their carbines and their blunderbusses.  So let me do it." (The Count of Monte Cristo)

-- Ben


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Benjamin R Kreuter
UVA Computer Science
brk7bx () virginia edu
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"If large numbers of people are interested in freedom of speech, there will be freedom of speech, even if the law 
forbids it; if public opinion is sluggish, inconvenient minorities will be persecuted, even if laws exist to protect 
them." - George Orwell
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