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From: Justin Ferguson <jf () ownco net>
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 20:49:16 -0400
Truth be told, that statement is utter rubbish,
Hah. http://www.dw.de/intelligence-service-report-confirms-bnd-spied-on-reporters/a-2032833 http://wikileaks.org/wiki/How_German_intelligence_infiltrated_Focus_magazine http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/the-world-from-berlin-bnd-agents-knew-what-they-were-doing-a-549765.html http://www.foebud.org/bnd-setzt-bundestrojaner-tausendfach-ein
some parts like certain eastern European countries might have less, but the NSA makes the Stasi look like a boys choir.
Now, that, that is rubbish. I'm assuming you're German. You're doing your countries history a disservice with such nonsense and hyperbole. Total sidenote, what year did Germany go through a "de-stasi-fication" ala the de-baath-ification of Iraq or the de-Nazi-fication? Oh yeah you didnt. Don't look too hard at Nord Stream or Gazprom Germania and I bet all those old timers grandfathered in at the top tiers of deutsch telekom don't think like old-time spooks.. You realize that Berlin isn't just a hotspot for the worlds intelligence community but basically THE hotspot right? Go ask the people at CCCB about the people who used to surveil them when they first moved in.
Germany has ruled the scale of spying such as the NSA's is not only illegal, but unconstitutional. BDN certainly dont sit on their arses, but they are not out of control like U.S. is, gathering data on every person in the world, just is case in 5 years time one might have a radical view against the U.S. government.
Yeah, indeed, I remember being at CCC in IIRC 2007 when they came for Julian. But no really, the German government is *THE* exception in the world, they don't spy on you or anyone else, also, we have the london bridge in Arizona, I bet it would look good over the Rhine, would you like to be the london bridge?
The good thing about NSA doing this, is in the past 2 days I have 29 clients in Australia instruct me to move them off amazon, gmail, and 365 > - for local hosting with local owned business with no ties to U.S.
Dear god, I hope you don't look up the ASIO or you know, the 5-eyes/AUSCANNZUKUS. Every country in the world engages in intelligence collection, it doesnt matter where your server is, if a country feels inclined, they're in it, watching your data. Everything else is feel good fluff.. Expect them. . On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 8:25 PM, Noel <nol () ausics org> wrote:
On Tue, 2013-06-11 at 19:08 -0400, Justin Ferguson wrote: And you think the BND does what for a living exactly? Truth be told, most of Europe has weaker laws when regarding intelligence gathering Truth be told, that statement is utter rubbish, some parts like certain eastern European countries might have less, but the NSA makes the Stasi look like a boys choir. Germany has ruled the scale of spying such as the NSA's is not only illegal, but unconstitutional. BDN certainly dont sit on their arses, but they are not out of control like U.S. is, gathering data on every person in the world, just is case in 5 years time one might have a radical view against the U.S. government. The good thing about NSA doing this, is in the past 2 days I have 29 clients in Australia instruct me to move them off amazon, gmail, and 365 - for local hosting with local owned business with no ties to U.S.
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