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Re: Sri Lanka to cut phone links to 13 countries to stop scams
From: aborg () mca org mt
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:18:47 +0100
Richard, Nick, Quite right. Unfortunately, the situation locally involves a monopolistic fixed-line operator who therefore is in a different position than yours. I (personally) agree with Richard that this is basically fraud that is perpetuated by the telco itself ... and yes Nik, having someone call you and point this out to you would be a lovely idea ... but it just isn't that simple when There is a monopoly The consumers who do get affected do not write to newspapers or publicise their claim The only consumers association is government owned (which also owns the telco) and underfunded and understaffed Sigh ... Antoine Borg Network & IS Administrator Malta Communications Authority Suite 43/44, "Il-Piazzetta" Tower Road Sliema SLM 16 Malta G.C. Tel: +356 21 336840 Fax: +356 21 336846 ---------- "Of all manifestations of power, that which most impresses men is restraint" Thucydides funsec-bounces () linuxbox org wrote on 31/10/2005 11:37:28:
On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:43:32 +0100 aborg () mca org mt wrote:
I work for a regulatory authority and we've had numerous debates as to who should be liable for this problem. On the one hand, there's the consumer with a huge bill that he is unable/unwilling to pay (rightly so). On the other hand there is the telco with the "any calls you make you have to pay for" clause in their user agreement. Both are unwilling to pay but IMHO, the telcos don't do enough to help prevent this problem.
It's worse than that - the reason this scam works at all is based on deliberate misrouting by international Telcos, and all gateway networks have to be "in" on the deal to one extent or another. It is deliberate fraud in that the Telco is charging for calls to country X while routing them to country Y with the scammer (and the related consolidators etc) collecting the difference between the rates. Some national authorities have taken action in these cases, and required refunds to be made on a class basis: Canada comes most significantly to mind but I believe the USA may have done the same.
Having worked as Regulatory office for a Telco, I'm well aware of the SS7 mechanism that the scam uses, and the inter-Telco discussions!
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