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Re: [privacy] Judge Defers Decision on U.S. Wiretap Suit
From: "Andrew Blair" <Andrew.Blair () genmills com>
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 08:57:39 -0500
But it gets even better: [snip] Nazih Hassan, a Lebanese-American, and a member of the ACLU, said the
wiretapping had
instilled fear in the Arab community. "There is such a blurry line between talking about the things you care
about such as the
war in Iraq or the situation in Lebanon and 'supporting terrorism' that
I and many of my
friends have just stopped talking on the phone," he told Reuters
outside the court.
[snip] Gosh, is that the blurry line between telling all your friends that
you hate the war and
wish it had never started (just fine with me, I'm not a big fan) vs.
swapping info with
your friends about where and when the next suicide bombing will be
staged? If it's the
latter, I'd say its a pretty good idea to take that discussion
underground... But wait
Mr. Hassan, if its so "blurry" to you, why are you running your trap
about it in front of
Reuters?
Maybe he's a bit worried about having conversations taken out of context by some jittery rookie NSA analyst? Or those wonderful speech analysis programs the NSA has running? What happens when one of those flag him as a terrorist? You have little recourse to clear your name against the masters err.. government these days if you get put on their lists, and your life could be turned upside down in a second because some computer program doesn't know the difference between sarcasm and malice. This goes to the heart of what is wrong with all this. As an American you have the *RIGHT* (not privilege - not option - not when the government feels like it) to be innocent until PROVEN guilty. The idea of these dragnet programs flies in the face of probable cause and every other constitutional protection we have around prosecution, and invariably cause more harm to innocent people than they protect us from malicious ones. The next time your name gets on a no-fly list or you get the "special treatment" going through airport security because your name is Arabic or you look middle-eastern you might get a clue of what this is all about. I hate to be mean, but people who start attacking someone they don't know based off a short Reuters clip make me sick. This guy is doing nothing but exercising his rights to protect his constitutional liberties. Give him a break. For you to sit here and attack him and bring out that ridiculous "what are you worried about if you are innocent" crap is cowardly and ignorant. I hope one day you realize how lucky you are that there are those who are standing up to protect your rights, because once they are gone they are never coming back. Andy B Support those who support your freedoms. Give to the EFF. -----Original Message----- From: Lindsey, Ben J [mailto:ben.lindsey () centerpointenergy com] Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 7:30 AM To: privacy () whitestar linuxbox org Subject: [privacy] Judge Defers Decision on U.S. Wiretap Suit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Apologies if this got out twice... I got a bounce from somewhere... - -bjl - ------------------------------------------- The best part of the article: [snip] "Our clients have suffered concrete harm," Ann Beeson, the ACLU's associate legal director, told the court, saying lawyers now have to travel overseas to gather information they would have previously received on the phone and journalists are beginning to lose sources. [snip] I'm not sure about this, but I'd wager if we put it to a poll, most of us would want these lawyers and reporters phones tapped if they are calling known or suspected terrorists... It really breaks my heart to hear that lawyers are having to bill time for this overseas travel too, that's gotta be a back-breaker, I'm surprised they are still in business. But it gets even better: [snip] Nazih Hassan, a Lebanese-American, and a member of the ACLU, said the wiretapping had instilled fear in the Arab community. "There is such a blurry line between talking about the things you care about such as the war in Iraq or the situation in Lebanon and 'supporting terrorism' that I and many of my friends have just stopped talking on the phone," he told Reuters outside the court. [snip] Gosh, is that the blurry line between telling all your friends that you hate the war and wish it had never started (just fine with me, I'm not a big fan) vs. swapping info with your friends about where and when the next suicide bombing will be staged? If it's the latter, I'd say its a pretty good idea to take that discussion underground... But wait Mr. Hassan, if its so "blurry" to you, why are you running your trap about it in front of Reuters? I'm sure its not his fault for saying stupid things -- what else can you do when the ACLU wants a puppet these days? - -bjl
Message: 5 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 04:17:01 GMT From: "Fergie" <fergdawg () netzero net> Subject: [privacy] Judge Defers Decision on U.S. Wiretap Suit To: privacy () whitestar linuxbox org Message-ID: <20060612.211746.28.168082 () webmail04 lax untd com> Content-Type: text/plain Via Reuters. [snip] A federal judge on Monday deferred making an immediate decision on a request that the Bush administration's domestic eavesdropping program be halted as a violation of law. The American Civil Liberties Union, which filed the lawsuit in January, asked U.S. District Judge Anna Diggs Taylor to stop the White
House from intercepting international phone calls and e-mails without a warrant in its fight against terrorism, saying it violates Americans' free speech and privacy rights. [snip] More: http://go.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=technologyNews&st oryID=12504031 - ferg
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