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Re: The Rise of Anti-Forensics
From: coderman <coderman () gmail com>
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:30:52 -0700
On 7/13/07, Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon & Hannah <rMslade () shaw ca> wrote:
... > This is antiforensics. It is more than technology. It is an approach to > criminal hacking that can be summed up like this: Make it hard for them to > find you and impossible for them to prove they found you. Sorry, can't get excited about it. I've seen it: it's been around forever.... So let the blackhats knock themselves out with antiforensics. Makes the target bigger for us.
here's the crucial difference: forensics and expert testimony requires evidence and trust. when a virus/trojan invades, it is still an invader, detectable via evolving means as you describe. when anti-forensics replaces evidence with distraction and decoy, you have almost no recourse to put back what has been reduced to entropy. the foundation of trust eroded leaves "e-crime forensics" in a fatal cloud of doubt. the sooner this is recognized the better. i fear "forensics experts" giving flawed testimony under airs of authority to a court/jury compelled to convict wrongly and without merit in an attempt to stem the bleeding from anti-forensics via denial. "we'll deal with it now" one way or another. hopefully good old fashioned detective work, physical evidence, motive, opportunity and age old criminal stupidity will continue to tip the scales toward justice. the "easy short cuts", like a profile and history assumed from a disk verbatim are not necessary despite the allure; relegate them to probable cause like other fallible sources, and focus on investigative skill and reputable evidence. _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
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