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Re: FW: Daily Tech's response to Rich Kulawiec
From: Rich Kulawiec <rsk () gsp org>
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 12:30:56 -0500
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 04:37:58PM -0500, Richard M. Smith quoted Mike Asher [mailto:masher () dailytech com] as writing:
One word in regards to NASA's GISS Center. It's run by James Hansen, a long-time proponent of the idea that man is trashing the planet. The data they output isn't raw temperature readings, but a "corrected" dataset incorporating many thousands of arbitrary adjustments, "smoothing factors", and elimination of readings they consider inaccurate. All the major temperature tracking stations correct the data somewhat, but groups like the Hadley Center (run by the British Government) or the UAH group in Alabama do so in a much less politically-motivated manner than Hansen. This is why our environmental stories tend to prefer these sources.
Sigh... I believe that this is the appropriate place to stop and to note that character assassination is not how good science gets done. However, it's become rather fashionable of late among creationists and climate-change deniers and similar because it avoids all that tedious mucking about with the facts. We're left to conclude that either: a) The widespread agreement among the experts in the field does not reflect their actual scientific judgement, but has been induced through threats, bribes, intimidation, global conspiracy, wishful thinking, or perhaps the Spanish Inquisition armed with sofa cushions; or b) For some as-yet-unknown reason, all of those people, with many years of experience, long lists of publications in peer-reviewed journals, substantial scientific achievements to their credit, formidable intellects (and occasionally formidable egos to match) have somehow made the exact same set of mistakes and none of them have caught it, even though they have extreme motivation to do exactly that; or c) They just might be right. Let me pause to point something out -- something reiterated in what I'm about to reference. The way you get ahead in science is not by repeating orthodoxy. The way you get ahead in science is to show that a widely held and long-accepted theory is dead wrong. The longer that theory's been around, and the more widely applicable it is, the larger the reward for overturning it. And you'll earn a bonus if you can also show that something useful can be done with your new replacement theory. Relatively minor achievements of this nature get you things like tenure, grants, editorships, conference awards, and so on. But if you manage to do something huge -- like, oh, come up with an experimentally-verifiable explanation for quantum entanglement -- then you will probably earn a dinner date with the King of Sweden. Now factor into this the kinds of minds that are attracted to scientific research: these are people with the hubris to believe that they can use their puny human brains to tease apart the secrets of the universe. These are people who deliberately chose a career where most of their "great ideas" will turn out to be rubbish by the time they scribble them a napkin and stare at them for two minutes -- but who keep doing it anyway. These are not people very susceptible to a herd mentality: they'll argue about *anything*, demand proof, critique it, then argue the other side of the case. All of which is my long-winded way of saying that smear tactics like this are nothing more than a sign of increasing desperation on the part of those who are well aware that exhaustive (and I do mean exhaustive) research indicates they're almost certainly wrong. With that in mind, let me point you to this excellent article (just published yesterday) on this topic -- something I very strongly recommend you read: The cold truth about climate change http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/02/27/global_warming_deniers/index.html A number of points that I was considering making are made in that article, probably far more cogently than I'm capable of. If you don't have time to read it, let me sum it up for you: the "controversy" (to borrow a term from the creationists) over global warming/climate change/global climate weirdness is not over whether it's happening. It is. It's not over what's causing it. It's us. It's over how big it's going to get how fast and which way and what we might possibly do about it. And there is substantial reason to believe that reports like the IPCC's (which was considerably watered down due to political pressure) are wrong: "wrong" in that they may overestimate how long it will take and may underestimate how big it will get. (IPCC == UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.) We already know that small perturbations of nonlinear stochastic systems in quasi-equilbrium can result in large state changes. What we don't know, and may not know until we're living it instead of modeling it on supercomputers, is exactly what that means for Topeka or Madrid or Nairobi. But "large state changes" could very well mean "very bumpy ride". That we may not be able to stop. And that we certainly can't get off. As to why I'm writing this instead of getting into the validity of the claims cited by dailytech: I'm slowly learning that you can't reason people out of positions that they didn't reason themselves into, so I don't see much point in trying with dailytech et.al. If that means that I'll be categorized in the same way as Dr. Hansen, then while I'm clearly not even remotely close to playing in his league, I'd be honored. ---Rsk _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
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- Re: FW: Daily Tech's response to Rich Kulawiec Rich Kulawiec (Feb 28)
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- Re: FW: Daily Tech's response to Rich Kulawiec Rich Kulawiec (Feb 28)