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Re: Adobe investigates sophisticated corporate network security issue


From: "Aryeh Goretsky (home)" <goretsky () gmail com>
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 23:17:28 -0800

Hello,

It seems you received a notebook computer whose USB ports were not disabled
properly via Group Policy, Dan.

I've logged a ticket with the help desk and someone from IT department will
push out a fix shortly.

:^)

Regards,

Aryeh Goretsky

At 05:56 AM 1/14/2010, you wrote:

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Subject: Re: [funsec] Adobe investigates sophisticatic corporate
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On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Rich Kulawiec 
<<mailto:rsk () gsp org>rsk () gsp org> wrote:
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 03:05:19PM -0800, Paul M. Moriarty wrote:
Or put another way, expecting end users to change their behavior and
start doing all the things they "should" be doing is futile.  Any approach
based on this premise will fail.
Absolutely true.  "Educating users" is listed as one of Marcus Ranum's
six dumbest ideas in security, and it really is.  Spammers and phishers,
among others, prove it millions of times a day.


A few years back, Jason Larsen explained to me the great irony of 
USB sticks.  We've had networking for how many years?  But if you've 
got ten people sitting around a conference room table, from three 
different companies, and all of them need a slide show, guess 
what?  They're not using network file sharing to share that 
file.  The odds that they'll all be able to get on the same network 
are quite low.  See, it's always assumed by IT that in general, the 
only people who need access work from the company, and those people 
outside have bad untested insecure horrors of laptops.

So those bad untested insecure horrible outsiders bring in USB 3G 
networking and USB sticks.  And those sticks get passed around, so 
people can get their slides and business can be done.

How does security react?  By banning USB sticks.  And what will 
people thus use?

Gmail.

Watch.  The war after USB sticks is 3G networking.  Because we've 
stopped being good at saying, yes, we have a solution for you.  But 
we're damn good at saying, HOLY CRAP YOU FOUND A SOLUTION, WE MUST SUPPRESS IT.

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