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fog of cyberwar
From: Gadi Evron <ge () linuxbox org>
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 05:39:51 +0200
I just wrote a blog on this: http://darkreading.com/blog/archives/2010/01/fog_of_cyberwar.html In short: While we are all talking of Google's morals and US/China diplomacy, there are some questions that mostly remain unasked: 1. Did Google hack a Taiwanese server to investigate the breach? If so, good for them. Our ethics need to catch up to our morals. But, for now, it's still illegal so some details would be nice. As you know, I have been calling for more than "get slapped, write analysis" response to cyber crime for a long time, but we need to be careful not to start an offensive the Internet can't win (criminals willing to play scorched Earth--we're not, and our legal/ethical limitations). 2. Is Microsoft, while usually timely and responsible, completely irresponsible in wanting to patch this only in February? While they patched it sooner (which couldn't have been easy), their over-all policy is very disturbing and in my opinion calls for IE to not be used anymore. 3. Why are people treating targeted attacks as a new threat model? Their threat models are just old. Oh yeah, and this is espionage, not cyber war. Computers are just new tools/weapons for an old motive. Espionage unlike cyber crime and cyber war is well established in law and diplomacy both. Security experts should not spread fear, and they definitely shouldn't be the ones people look to for answers on this. Thoughts? Gadi. -- Gadi Evron, ge () linuxbox org. Blog: http://gevron.livejournal.com/ _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
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