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Re: Adopting the Israeli Airport Security Model
From: Alex Eckelberry <AlexE () sunbelt-software com>
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 16:54:24 -0500
Isreal airport security is absolutely intense. You have to arrive at least 3 hours before your flight. Every single person is questioned (or interrogated, depending on your viewpoint). Pat-downs, searches, etc. It really is quite an experience for a person used to the TSA. Implementing Isreal-like security would make travel a) unbearable and b) incredibly time consuming. Alex -----Original Message----- From: Charles Miller [mailto:cmiller () securityevaluators com] Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 4:00 PM To: Paul Ferguson Cc: Alex Eckelberry; funsec Subject: Re: [funsec] Adopting the Israeli Airport Security Model I thought Schneier's post made no sense. To summarize: Israelis do a good job with airport security. The US is much larger than Israel. Therefore, the Israeli method would not work in the US. Huh? I was with you for the first 2 steps, but that last statement doesn't follow from the first two.... Charlie On Jan 5, 2010, at 2:21 PM, Paul Ferguson wrote:
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Alex Eckelberry <AlexE () sunbelt-software com> wrote:However, they do two things in Isreal which, if JUST those two are done well, would obviate the need for removing shoes, spectacles, fluids and all other idiocy that we go through now: 1. They have a kick-ass intelligence service and 2. They have security people observing passengers and asking questions. These two points would have stopped every single potential bomber, including the 9/11 hijackers, Richard Reid and the underwear bomber. And we would all be a lot happier, saner and travel would actually be a pleasure. I would also add that we should move to having portable security checkpoints at the gate areas themselves, like in Vienna, rather than right in front of the terminal. Easier to manage small groups of people entering an airline than thousands of passengers per hour."...the Israeli airport security model does not scale." - Bruce Schneier http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2010/01/adopting_the_is.html I'm not one to simply parrot Schneier's nuggets of wisdom, but as outlined in the blog post above, I agree with this. $.02, - - ferg -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Desktop 9.5.3 (Build 5003) wj8DBQFLQ584q1pz9mNUZTMRArFtAJ9PNkoDBmM/zMu0oNnNvS1Ju7KQ+wCfSX05 Ty2gims1z8xz3b5IZTGMCY8= =nuz/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawgster(at)gmail.com ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/ _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
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- FW: Adopting the Israeli Airport Security Model Larry Seltzer (Jan 05)
- Re: Adopting the Israeli Airport Security Model Alex Eckelberry (Jan 05)
- Re: Adopting the Israeli Airport Security Model Larry Seltzer (Jan 05)
- Re: Adopting the Israeli Airport Security Model Paul Ferguson (Jan 05)
- Re: Adopting the Israeli Airport Security Model Charles Miller (Jan 05)
- Re: Adopting the Israeli Airport Security Model Alex Eckelberry (Jan 05)
- Re: Adopting the Israeli Airport Security Model Adriel T. Desautels (Jan 05)
- Re: Adopting the Israeli Airport Security Model Alex Eckelberry (Jan 05)
- Re: Adopting the Israeli Airport Security Model Paul Ferguson (Jan 05)
- Re: Adopting the Israeli Airport Security Model Rich Kulawiec (Jan 05)
- Re: Adopting the Israeli Airport Security Model Alex Eckelberry (Jan 05)
- Re: Adopting the Israeli Airport Security Model Alex Eckelberry (Jan 05)
- Re: Adopting the Israeli Airport Security Model Larry Seltzer (Jan 05)
- Re: Adopting the Israeli Airport Security Model Paul M. Moriarty (Jan 06)
- <Possible follow-ups>
- Re: Adopting the Israeli Airport Security Model chaim . rieger (Jan 06)
- Re: Adopting the Israeli Airport Security Model Larry Seltzer (Jan 06)
- Re: Adopting the Israeli Airport Security Model chaim . rieger (Jan 06)