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Re: [Full-disclosure] The Economist, cyber war issue
From: coderman <coderman () gmail com>
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 01:10:08 -0700
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Tomas L. Byrnes <tomb () byrneit net> wrote:
... the vector of source attack against most CI is from the "great unwashed"
character of attacks i have observed using the "great unwashed" vuln. vector: - inconsequential (in a war context) DDoS outages of various specific targets or paths. if Twitter or eBay is down by DoS it's not a national emergency nor decisive in conflict. - unwashed technical incompetence. YouTube down by BGP FUBAR is not a national emergency nor decisive in conflict. etc., i can, however, cite many examples from over 433 telecommunications fiber sever / outage incidents since 2005 where a large swath of the population / network is affected by spontaneous failure of presumably redundant physical paths (right-of-way, path diversity) that weren't separate or otherwise failed unexpectedly. rework a well tuned model for an intelligent, targeted attack and you see how cost effectiveness at high degrees is absurdly lopsided... (when you compare a YouTube outage annoyance to serious mass freak-out over 911, debit/banking, visa, long distance, cross NPA local, emergency service dispatch, and other critical services just "going dead..." it's also clear how the practical implications differ greatly at these scales as well.) you seem to assume i am pulling claims out of airs; perhaps. perhaps i've got a bit more analysis behind these assertions. ... if you want to get technical ... ... :P _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
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- Re: The Economist, cyber war issue Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon & Hannah (Jul 03)
- Re: The Economist, cyber war issue Tomas L. Byrnes (Jul 06)
- Re: The Economist, cyber war issue Tomas L. Byrnes (Jul 06)
- Re: The Economist, cyber war issue Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon & Hannah (Jul 06)
- Re: [Full-disclosure] The Economist, cyber war issue coderman (Jul 04)
- Re: [Full-disclosure] The Economist, cyber war issue Tomas L. Byrnes (Jul 06)
- Re: [Full-disclosure] The Economist, cyber war issue coderman (Jul 06)
- Re: [Full-disclosure] The Economist, cyber war issue coderman (Jul 06)
- Re: [Full-disclosure] The Economist, cyber war issue Tomas L. Byrnes (Jul 06)
- Re: [Full-disclosure] The Economist, cyber war issue coderman (Jul 07)
- Re: [Full-disclosure] The Economist, cyber war issue coderman (Jul 07)
- Re: The Economist, cyber war issue Tomas L. Byrnes (Jul 02)