RE: PDL anti-spam blacklist

["James Friesen" <lucretia () telusplanet net>]

I hope this makes it to the list.  I would disagree with only one singular
point on this which is that mom and pop ISP's are probably more competant at
fixing these than larger ISP's at least from our jurisdiction.

We use 'Telus Velocity' ISP and they not only refuse to shut down the open
relays they have numerous legacy mail systems that create mirror email you
may not even be aware of.  For instance I use 'lucretia () telusplanet net' as
this email account, but the majority of my SPAM comes through
lucretia () agt net which I never knew even existed.

What do they plan to do to correct this?  Nothing.

Good luck,
-----  James Friesen - Integration Specialist
Lucretia Enterprises - info () lucretia ca
www.lucretia.ca



> :> -----Original Message-----
> :> From: Brian Taylor [mailto:drak3 () attbi com]
> :> Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 9:07 PM
> :> To: jpaul () kormanmarketing com; incidents () securityfocus com
> :> Subject: RE: PDL anti-spam blacklist
> :>
> :>
> :> My old company made it onto a similar blackhole list.  One of
> :> the wannabe
> :> RBL mirrors.  Reason?  Open relays.  Fixed it, reported to em and were
> :> removed in a matter of days.  YMMV, however.  I feel sorry for
> :> the blokes
> :> who end up on it due to their ISP.  Not a lot one can do about that,
> :> particularly if they have a mom & pop ISP like those in more
> :> rural areas.
> :>
> :>  ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> :> Brian Taylor
> :> johnthedwarf () ziplip com
> :>
> :> "Sure you can get HIV from a mosquito -- if you have
> :> unprotected sex with
> :> one!"
> :>
> :> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> :>
> :>
> :> -----Original Message-----
> :> From: John Paul [mailto:jpaul () kormanmarketing com]
> :> Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 2:08 PM
> :> To: incidents () securityfocus com
> :> Subject: PDL anti-spam blacklist
> :>
> :>
> :> First off, I am not a spammer, nor do I sympathize with
> :> spammers or spam. I
> :> am not dial up, nor dynamic IP'd, yet on their blacklist.
> :>
> :> I take Internet security very seriously.
> :>
> :> My personal IP range is blacklisted by these guys for some reason. Looks
> :> like the PDL is somehow "enforcing" my ISP's TOS and/or AUP, go
> :> figure...
> :>
> :> #1 Has anyone else run into this "service"?
> :> #2 Has anyone successfully had themselves removed from the
> :> list? If so, was
> :> the process like bad dental work?
> :>
> :> http://www.pan-am.ca/pdl/
> :>
> :> Please understand I have not taken the time to verify the entire list as
> :> dial-up vs. not dial-up, I have better things to do than check the PDL's
> :> work.
> :>
> :> This is not intended to be the start of yet another un-ending
> :> philosophical
> :> debate on spam blockage.
> :>
> :> Thanks,
> :>
> :> John
> :>
> :>
> :>
> :>
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